An Ork Lander performs an air assault. It takes two points of damage coming in so has 3BMs on it.

It lands within 15cm of an enemy formation:

What happens to the Landa?
1) It's fine
2) It's destroyed because it ended its move within 15cm of the enemy and isn't fearless

What happens to the units inside?
1) Disembark as normal
2) Have to take an armour save (as per destroyed transport rules) and disembark as normal
3) All die because the AC was destroyed before it landed

What happens to the assault?
1) It continues as normal, the Orks don't count as having BMs if the Landa was destroyed
2) It never occurs because the Landa needed to survive (Orks inside activated with it)

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Per 4.1.6 air assaults the vehicle and the transported units considered an intermingled formation.



Also per 1.12.7

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I'm not asking about what happens when it looses the assault jimmy, I know how all that works. I'm asking what happens when an AC lands and converts to a ground unit that's broken.

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I would say that as it lands, the aircraft and units within are considered one formation since it is an air assault and therefore the 3BMs would not have any effect. It would land normally, the units inside would disembark, and the assault would continue normally. The 3BMs would count toward the assault resolution and any additional BMs caused by kills / DC loss would be resolved according to where those hits took place.

Assuming the Orks win, the infantry and Landa would 'separate' and the Landa would break. The infantry would consolidate. I think that since it was already landed at this point, the Landa would simply break. If the Orks lost, the Landa would still be in the same broken state, except of course it may be in a position where it has to retreat (I can't remember if they are fearless or not) in which case it might be destroyed by the hackdown kills or being stuck within 15cm.

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Meh, I went and re-read the rule. If the assault is lost, the Landa is destroyed. So that's easy. If it wins, though, I don't think it is destroyed (see explanation above).

Now this would be different if it was a ground attack. That would mean was broken at the point of the Landa stopping it's movement. But even then, it is a little weird for me. Is it an aircraft when it breaks or a land unit? If it is an aircraft, the number of BMs don't matter. If it is a ground unit, then that implies it is landed and broken on the ground. I'm not convinced it would be destroyed in a ground attack in which it accumulated 3 BMs.

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4.2.7 Blast Markers
Aircraft collect Blast markers in a similar manner to other units,
but are affected by them rather differently. The following fairly
simple rules reflect the time it takes to rearm and refuel aircraft
after a mission. Aircraft in a formation that has come under
heavy attack and therefore have a lot of Blast markers will take
longer to get ready, and so there is an increased chance that they
may not get to carry out a mission.

...

Aircraft are not suppressed or broken by Blast markers, but are
not allowed to rally in the end phase either. Instead, the next time
that you want to take an action with the formation, take the
action test as before, but apply a -1 modifier for each Blast
marker on the formation (this modifier replaces the modifier for
having one or more Blast markers).


As I see it the Landa fights the combined assault - meaning formation not broken. Then disengages as an air craft (unless looses assault and killed in assault / hack down because not fearless) then may only enter if rolls over BMs as usual.

OK. So it would land and the combined formations would count as having 3BMs for assault resolution. If it won, then the only way I can see it being destroyed if it was within 15cm of another enemy formation. Or if the enemy formation was fearless and refused to retreat... That's a dick move I'll have to file away. Or would it not be destroyed because the winning formation never takes hack-down hits?

@Blip, all that text is while it's airborne though. When it's landed it's affected by BMs like ground units. See the landing section in 4.0.

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If a Transport aircraft makes an air assault then it and any units it is carrying count as a single formation for the entire engage action.
Highlighted relevant part.

relevant part from 3.1.3


So the assault would go ahead with the whole (combined) formation counting as having 3 BM's.



neither,
The Orks and the Landa would continue with the assault with the "whole Formation" having 3 BM's, once the engage has finished the landa would take the original 3 BM's.
If the Orks lost the assault the landa would be automatically destroyed, if they won the Landa (if it survived any hits from the engage) would be broken and would take 1 point of damage for each enemy unit within 15cm of it (as it cannot retreat).

From 3.2.4

If that's if that's the way its played. As i see it the section for landed AC :

"Once landed, the aircraft is treated in all ways as a ground unit
with a speed of 0 (i.e., it may not move) It may not carry out an
action on the turn it lands. If it is involved in an assault and loses
then it is automatically destroyed. Once landed, the aircraft may
make a disengagement move and exit the table in the end phase
of any turn, including the one it landed in."

...refers specifically to movement while "on the ground" - ie. it can't hop about the board at infinite speed on subsequent turns avoiding flak. I don't see anything that specifically over rules the section about not receiving BMs like normal units.

Though, i can see why it would be played that they can be suppressed, i don't really see any way to resolve a broken AC - if anything surely it would have the option to disengage immediately as its withdraw move....?

Wow, the AC rules are a quagmire of rules, counter rules and exceptions ain't they !? Anyway, I bow to the greater authorities.

There are tons of weird bits in the air rules but this one seems quite straightforward. If it were empty it could break when it lands, before the assault happens (like in overwatch). Otherwise it will just have BMs for resolution. If it breaks when the assault is resolved (because the formations split up) then it takes a 0cm withdrawal move as normal and suffers any consequences. Exactly like any other ground unit (which it is). The hardest part is the order i.e. when do the formations split up.

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Late to the party as usual... (living in Australia is wonderful but timing is always an issue).

dptdexys has covered the original question well (thanks mate ).
I admit that I played the air rules wrong for a while when I first started so I can understand the confusion that Blip describes.

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I don't understand why when ...

it has 3 blast markers, the Orks win the fight, there are units within 15cm at the start of the end phase

... that the Landa is destroyed? I understand this,


but why wouldn't this occur?


Am I confusing disengagement and retreat?

Thanks! (Poor Landa ...)

Joel

Disengagement happens in the end phase. Withdrawal happens either when you break, or fail to rally. You take damage if there are units within 15cm at the end of a withdrawal.

So, if the landa has 3 BMs then it will break when it separates from the formation it was carrying (i.e. at the end of the assault). At the moment that it breaks, it can make a withdrawal move (of 2x 0cm), and if it ends the withdrawal within 15cm of the enemy then it loses 1 DC per unit.

There is nothing in the rules to do with being within 15cm of the enemy at the start of the end phase.

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Thanks for clearing up a new players confusion!

Joel