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Woe be da Orkz!
Legion 4	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 4:22 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	I just ordered a =][= Dread for Darkone from G/W US and the Troll knew nothing about the plastic infantry !  Not surprising, based on the differences between G/W US, UK, & Down Under !   So I told him to check out this site !  Anyway, he said G/W US still has some plastic Epic sprues, including Chaos, so some still exist on this side of the Atlantic.  Hot (or not so hot) news from the Front ...   _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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stormseer	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 4:40 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:52 pm Posts: 4598 Location: Suffolk, UK.	Darkone- I guess we will see Fanatic producing Tau and Cadians in the future, but the reason I was dubious about wether they will be in metal is that they will only be able to produce the planned sprues in plastic is because the planned ones Jervis has told us about will be modified versions of the ones that we have now (costing far less than tooling a new mould)- and as there are no existing moulds for plastic sprues of Cadians and Tau, then there are none to modify- and so Fanatic, if they wanted to produce these items, would have to get completly new moulds cut- something that is not in their budget at the moment, dissapointingly.. _________________ www.darkrealmminiatures.com
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Legion 4	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 4:58 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Based on everything that I read, (and 12 years of playing Epic) all new infantry will be in metal (?) ... Cadians (?), Steel Legion (?), Tau (?), Necrons (?), etc., etc., no G/W molds exist in Epic scale for these forces.  But as surprising as the recent Jervis proclaimation was, Who knows, it's anyone's guess ? _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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primarch	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Sat May 10, 2003 1:40 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! I agree with stormseer in that new moulds of units that dont currently exist may be long in coming if ever. That will depend on how well the game does. But we should focus on how incredibly good it will be to have plastics at all! I can live with no new unit plastics as long as older more common ones are available for newbies. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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Legion 4	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Sat May 10, 2003 3:29 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Yes, it appears, Jervis & Co. are going to reorganize the old plastic molds.  New infantry types, like say, Steel Legion, or Raptors, etc., will probably be metal and a long way off.  But it's anyones guess.   _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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centurion	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 10:17 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Feb 18, 2003 10:44 pm Posts: 729 Location: San Antonio, Texas	Has anyone ever approached Jervis with the idea to do sprues with only one type of troop and vehicles only (i.e. standard IG, Russ' and Chimeras for IG, Rhinos and LR for Sm, etc.., etc..) and then the specialist metal figures. Hence you could build up a solid core for an army and then add-on whatever specialists you prefer to suit your style of warfare, Just thinking out loud I guess.
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stormseer	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 10:28 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:52 pm Posts: 4598 Location: Suffolk, UK.	Yeah, this would be nice, similar to the sprues for the SM editions of Epic- for Space Marines you could get ones with, funnily enough, Land Raiders, some Rhinos, and Tactical SMs for the Rhinos.... However, with the budget Fanatic currently has, this will be impossible- they cannot afford to make up new moulds, only to modify the old ones, which Jervis has said will happen... While this is a little dissapointing, it does mean we will get cheap infantry when Epic A comes oput, which is good! _________________ www.darkrealmminiatures.com
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Legion 4	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 11:34 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	I think that is wishful thinking. I believe only the plastic Infantry is is going to be redone.  All the plastic vehicles, mostly SM will be redone in metal (we already saw the Rhino), to reflect the new 40K versions.  There was never a plastic Chimera (in Epic scale) and we will probably never see one (no need). Plastic molds are much more expensive than metal. And that's the bottom line - $ ... _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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primarch	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 12:07 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! I agree with Legion4, while plastics are wonderful news, I dout there will be ANY new moulds made until the games shows a profit. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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Jimbo	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 9:57 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	Quote (primarch @ 12 2003 May,00:07) I agree with Legion4, while plastics are wonderful news, I dout there will be ANY new moulds made until the games shows a profit. ... and probably not even then... I haven't seen any new plastics from Specialist Games at all... _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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CyberShadow	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 1:25 pm
Swarm Tyrant Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:22 pm Posts: 9350 Location: Singapore	Even Gothic, which is one of the largest Fanatic games (particularly in the US), does not produce the resources to warrant plastics. All Fanatic ships for that have been metal. _________________ https://www.cybershadow.ninja - A brief look into my twisted world, including wargames and beyond. https://www.net-armageddon.org - The official NetEA (Epic Armageddon) site and resource.
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Chris	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 3:17 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:42 pm Posts: 2412	Surely there must be a cheaper way to produce plastics? How does Airfix produce so many plastic models? And sell them cheap? Cheers Chris _________________ Chris
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Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 3:45 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA

Hi! ... and probably not even then... I haven't seen any new plastics from Specialist Games at all... You'll get no arguements from me on that, for that is my feeling as well. But I wanted to say something uplifting and positive... I understand the philosophy and reason for Fanatic exisiting, but it seems to me none of their games can truely elevate itself to the degree of sales that 40k and warhammer have mainly becuase GW will not invest in them. You need to spend some money to make more money, or perhaps the laws of economics work differently for GW... I guess we can gripe a lot about it, but let us remember at least we are getting some plastics....that is better than NO plastics. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules

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stormseer	Post subject: Woe be da Orkz! Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 5:13 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:52 pm Posts: 4598 Location: Suffolk, UK.	I guess we can gripe a lot about it, but let us remember at least we are getting some plastics....that is better than NO plastics.   Primarch Heh- can't agree more Primarch.... indeed! Chris said: Surely there must be a cheaper way to produce plastics? How does Airfix produce so many plastic models? And sell them cheap?

Yeah, this was something that I was very curious about when I first joined the hobby, aroung 5 years or so ago.... previously I had collected loads of Airfix models (which meant my painting was already pretty good when I started the far more expensive hobby of 40k ).
  I think it comes down to things like Airfix being a far older comapny, completley world-wide, lots of capital to spend on moulds, new designs etc, with many existing moulds that will continue to be used for ages- like the Spitfire, for example, there must have been millions of them sold......
  They probabaly have far more sales than GW models- some must be due to the fact they are much cheaper, and there are also lots of WW1 and 2 history enthusiasts who build them........


Hehe- I could be utterly wrong though- Anyone more in the know care to comment?