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First try of Eldar
iblisdrax
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:00 am 
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Yeah, the only logic they understand is cold hard cash, and when that doesnt appear, they say, "Well , they dont want anything good.  We wont fix it, just shut it down.  That'll teach em to buy our stuff no matter how much it sucks."

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Hi!

Very true iblisdrax. GW has never ONCE gone back and "fix" a marketing error. If it fails its dead, they never "fess up" rectify.

So it really is "you buy it the way we tell you and like it"..... or get nothing....

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But I have to try. :;):  :D

And the truth is, I have nothing to loose and everything to gain in this situation. :cool:  

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GHQ does make great models and has a great site. ?However, since I collect G/W, S/G, F/W, I'll just buy one or two packs of each ... to round out my existing IG. Not looking for proxies ... I have too much Epic now ! ?With 9 Armies ! ? :D :;):

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Your a real crusader Dafrca...

..either that or you're really bored.... :;):

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Quote (primarch @ 17 2004 Oct.,18:32)
Hi!

Your a real crusader Dafrca...

..either that or you're really bored.... :;):

Primarch

It's the activist mixed with the gamer in me.  :;):   :laugh:

When I was growing up my mother was a real letter writer. You would be shocked at what she sometimes received. Sometimes worked, sometimes didn't.  :D

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Robilus
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The problem that I have with the seigfried is that it is a bad model. ?The ones in the blister I bought at GDUK are all cast fine, its just the model itself. ?It just doesn't look right at all, the turret looks wrong, the hull is too tall, etc.

In comparison, the Brunnhilde model (which the seigfried is based on) is really nice. ?Nice detail, nice size, a really cool slaved servitor driver.

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Hi!

I guess we should just buy Brunnhilde models then. Someone got a picture of it?

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Quote (dafrca @ 17 2004 Oct.,18:23)
I am posting this as a seperate post because I want there to be focus on this. The item that bothers me the most is the poor castings, errors, and excesive flash. :(

The minis I have received both from this run of the regular epic and these are all looking like something that I would expect at the end of a mini's mold life.

One of the things I always said about GW in the past was "Well they cost more but look at the detail and quality."

Well now all I can say is "Wow you are right, they cost a lot and the quality sucks." :(

dafrca

I agree fully with dafrca.

I must admit that I am very disapointed in the GW metals of late. I recently started to by metals again after several years.

The poor fitting of the sponsons on the predator are a good example of poor casting ( I think), as is the amount of flash. Older models appear to have "sharper" detail.

Where possible, I will use proxys I think.

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primarch
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Hi!

It seems we are all in agreement, the newer epic "metals" are not up to snuff.

Wonder how long will it take for GW to catch up on this.....

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Quote (primarch @ 18 2004 Oct.,01:23)
Hi!

Very true iblisdrax. GW has never ONCE gone back and "fix" a marketing error. If it fails its dead, they never "fess up" rectify.

So it really is "you buy it the way we tell you and like it"..... or get nothing....

Primarch

I dunno about that, I thought Jervis did a fairly good job of "fessing up" to his mistakes in the Epic40K design and came up with a nice fix in the form of Epic Armageddon  :p
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:33 pm 
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Quote (primarch @ 18 2004 Oct.,15:58)
It seems we are all in agreement, the newer epic "metals" are not up to snuff.

No, I would not agree with that.  The newer models (properly new stuff like the Land Raider, Vulture, Landing Craft, Vindicator, Land Speeder, Siege Guns, etc), though a small few seem to have molding problems, are much superior models to the older stuff in terms of sculpt and detail.  Definetly "up to snuff".

The main problem I can see seems to be the modified old stuff.  

Take the Leman Russ for example, because of the way it is cast now, it is inferior to the 1996 model.  You lose the variation of the different hull parts there used to be which is bad enough, but more importantly you have really bad detail problems with the sides of the model and problems with the turret not fitting against the hull properly.

Another example is the manticore hull.  The current version is badly molded compared to the old bits, its really atrocious, even worse than the Leman Russ.

But then there are other bits molded from the older pieces that are fine, such as the hull you get with the Deathstrike, and the new Basilisk model (which is a mixture of old and new).

In regards to metal infantry sized figures, they all seem to be very nicely molded to me, with the exception of the Storm Troopers.  The Storm Troopers seem to have some problems with too much metal on the legs.

Considering the prices we are paying though, there really shouldn't be any molding problems.

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I think it is pretty obvious that the current miniatures range is on a much smaller budget than E40k. Of course there's the issues of simplified re-issues but a part I find interesting are some of the solutions for the Marine and Ork range.
Without critizising the abilities of the sculptors it'd say that the detail on some of the new the miniatures are pretty low. Many of the new ork vehicles do not have rivets sculpted on but simply small holes, The marine vehicle's panel lines aren't very well cast and full of flash and also not quite  symmetric (though this is no major problem).
All in all the miniatures are ok but they aren't great nor better than those of other companies anymore and they're certainly much more expensive.
The thing is, that we all know that GW can do better if they wanted to. However the guys with the money who make the major decisions seem to have their own ideas of what makes good business practice.

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Quote (primarch @ 18 2004 Oct.,15:58)
It seems we are all in agreement, the newer epic "metals" are not up to snuff.

No, I would not agree with that. ?The newer models (properly new stuff like the Land Raider, Vulture, Landing Craft, Vindicator, Land Speeder, Siege Guns, etc), though a small few seem to have molding problems, are much superior models to the older stuff in terms of sculpt and detail. ?Definetly "up to snuff".

Rob,

I am glad they worked out for you. I just disagree they are "up to snuff". Landraider with so much extra metal as to make some details obscure, Vulture with poor cast, Land speeder with mold lines that are very unacceptable (looked like 1980s stuff). Not to even go into a full company of Chimeras each with so much poo still attached as to make me wonder if the mold was even sealed before they ran it.

No, when compaired with the last release, GW has lost their QC, lost their high ground on detail, lost their minds on prices, and overall lost the feel that they were number one.

It is a classic example of someone resting on past laurels.

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I dunno about that, I thought Jervis did a fairly good job of "fessing up" to his mistakes in the Epic40K design and came up with a nice fix in the form of Epic Armageddon


Its not a comment directed towards rules design, but their marketing. Which is virtually unchanged in regards to how epic is presented and sold. Exposure is still low, availability patchy (depends on where you live) and support via MO in most cases.

Game design is one thing, marketing another. :)

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