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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders  Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:24 pm |
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| Quote (RABIDFOX @ 30 2004 Aug.,11:49) | | I checked out those two auctions and they look like SM bikes. I will bid on one anyway. Cant hurt to use them I guess. |
One of the ways you can tell the differance in these kinds of photos is look at the back of the bike. The Marine bikes have a smooth drop off and the Guard Bikes have a small point, almost like a back seat or something. The driver is smaller as well. The Marine bike has the sholder pads very obvious and the guard bike you almost only see the head of the guardsman.
The auction where the bikes are loose it is very easy to see the rear "hump" when you know what to look for. In the other one, I admit it is harder to see.
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:30 am |
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"The Marine bikes have a smooth drop off and ..."
Gulp! An extract from Dafrca's twenty-four volume 'Taxonomy of bikes and jetbikes of the early 41st millennium'
Cheers, Dafrca! Nice to have a corresponding reference encycolpaedia around! Now I have to see if the marine bikes you sent me correspond to the description!
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:35 pm |
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I too am thinking about bikes rather than horses for my RRs.
I can understand how there might be a use, for example it would allow covert forces to move great distances without re-supply, living off the land.
But then I would hope by then that bikes would be electric powered and solar cells would be used to re-charge batteries (if required - I'm not an expert, but once moving, can batteries not be re-charged as you go?)
If using bikes, would you still use the basic RR stats (for E:A)?
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:16 pm |
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I use both IG Bikes & R/Riders in some of my IG Rgts. The Chinese were using horse Cav as late as 1979. I also have the option in my IG Cav to deploy them on bikes or horses. We also kept the SM1 rules giving you the option to dismount. Using horse mounted troops not as tradional Cav but as "light horse", ie.- infantry mounted on horses for transportation. Of course we still have the ability to use them in a Cavalry Charge. I took on some Khorne Juggers like that once ! And remember my and Jervis's contention that Epic is a high tech version of WWII. The Germans and Russians (Cossacks) used Cav throughout, but as "light horse". Just some thoughts ... (of a sick mind) ... 
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:38 pm |
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| Quote (vanvlak @ 30 2004 Aug.,23:30) | "The Marine bikes have a smooth drop off and ..."
Gulp! An extract from Dafrca's twenty-four volume 'Taxonomy of bikes and jetbikes of the early 41st millennium' |
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:41 pm |
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| Quote (furgie @ 31 2004 Aug.,06:35) | I too am thinking about bikes rather than horses for my RRs.
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If using bikes, would you still use the basic RR stats (for E:A)? |
I use bikes in one of my RR squads. When I use them I just use the stats for the RRs as they are and invoke the "use as" rule.
So far no one has seemed to care. The stands are the same, the stats are the same, and it isnot like someone would mistake them as anything other then what they are. 
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:44 pm |
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| Quote (Legion 4 @ 31 2004 Aug.,07:16) | | We also kept the SM1 rules giving you the option to dismount. Using horse mounted troops not as tradional Cav but as "light horse", ie.- infantry mounted on horses for transportation. |
So when you dismount them, do you have markers or replace them with normal stands or what?
I have wanted to do some stands with horses and one handler and stands with troopers on it just for fun.
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:21 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 31 2004 Aug.,09:42) | Hi!
I always thought that was one of the coolest rules in AT/SM1, permiting mounted infantry to dismount. We had a lot of fun with that rule! 
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Did you model them any different or just treat them as having Infantry stats?
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:44 pm |
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I want to convert some Chaos lizards into IG proxy cavalry in the future. The 28mm 40k IG Codex has illustrations of IG lizard riders.
I loved the guy who cut apart RRs on Tuffskull's site and made them into lizard riders.
Shalom,
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:35 pm |
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Hi!
Did you model them any different or just treat them as having Infantry stats?
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Personally I used to just substitute them with infantry stats with standard stats for infantry.
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:30 am |
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I'd have to look up the rule to be exact, but if I recall we replaced the Cav stands with Infantry stands when they dismounted.
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:57 am |
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| Quote (Legion 4 @ 01 2004 Sep.,05:30) | | I'd have to look up the rule to be exact, but if I recall we replaced the Cav stands with Infantry stands when they dismounted. |
That's how it was done. Ahem...
To dismount, move the mounted stands as normal and then replace each stand in the detachment with a tactical stand or command stand, as appropriate. Once dismounted, stands cannot remount.
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Both bike and RR stands could dismount.
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Post subject: Proxy Rough Riders Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:55 am |
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I kinda like the idea of just letting them act as infantry when in cover - like they have just hopped off their mounts for a bit. Did that in E40k quite often, but it really should have cost extra points.
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