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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt  Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:18 pm |
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| Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 29 2004 Aug.,10:01) | Just suggestions but like I said: try it out a few times and see what works for you. The organisational theme of the army might be a bit lost if you try to add too much tactical flexibility to it. The army should be fun and characterfull -not a meta-gamer army!
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Man, you are NOT reading me: I have no epic players around AT ALL; so I am NOT playtesting it. Sad but true  As a consequence I want an army that is characterful overall but that in the eventual case of a game would perform well enough. I will not playtest it, simply collect and paint it down for display At least until I find an epic opponent, that is.
This is the bone of a larger force compromising all the companies in my regiment + 1 or 2 warhounds (looking at them, I think they are the only titans worth under 5k points, even if I might be wrong), and a likely list to be playtested eventually. I am interested in knowing if such formation would be worth its name in the battlefield or not as a consequence, but I am not :_that_ bothered about it not being 100% effective And no lunars for me: I already have 8 lunars in my shelf, but I prefer all my army to be in the same scale when I design a force!! 
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:16 pm |
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| Quote (Xavi @ 29 2004 Aug.,07:18) | | I have no epic players around AT ALL; so I am NOT playtesting it. Sad but true As a consequence I want an army that is characterful overall but that in the eventual case of a game would perform well enough. I will not playtest it, simply collect and paint it down for display |
Then to be honest, build what you like. Paint it the way you like and do not worry about what works best in the game. If you want a whole company of Robots, paint them up. Want a single Marine Tac Squad for fun, get them and paint them up. Want to say you have some Eldar Mercs in your employ, get them.
The truth is, you will end up with more then you can use in a normal game anyway. So if you do find a person to play, then worry about the build of the "game" army. Otherwise build, paint, and collect as much as you want to.
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:20 pm |
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Dafrca is right again!! If you don't run into financial ruin, you will eventually have many more minis than you can use in a game. So have fun, and paint away!
btw, where do you live, anyway?
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:25 pm |
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Disregard last part of last communication: I just looked at your bio section. Too far away for me!
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:55 pm |
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Well, moving to Brighton in a month, if that helps.
Ok, probably will go with your advise. Thx 
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:27 pm |
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Hi again,
For a start I have decided to start smaller. I alays aim too high! I have settled for a starting force of only 2k points. 3 possible options, all following my theme of a rapid strike force:
OPTION A
Mechanized company
Tank Company
Artillery Battery (3 basilisks)
Superheavy tanl platoon (shadowsword)
Superheavy tanl platoon (shadowsword)
Sentinel Squadron
total: 6 formations
OPTION B
Mechanized company
- Leman russ (3)
Tank Company
Artillery Battery (3 basilisks)
Superheavy tank platoon (shadowsword)
Superheavy tank platoon (shadowsword)
Sentinel Squadron
total: 6 formations, 43 units
OPTION B
Mechanized company
Tank Company
- Hydra Flak
Artillery Battery (3 basilisks)
Superheavy tank platoon (shadowsword)
Sentinel Squadron
Storm trooper platoon
- Valkyries
total: 6 formations, 51 units
OPTION C
Mechanized company
- 3 leman russ
Mechanized company
- 3 leman russ
Artillery Battery (3 basilisks)
Sentinel Squadron
Sentinel Squadron
Storm trooper platoon
- Valkyries
total: 6 formations, 69 units
The formations come from tank-heavy to tank-light. The 3rd one is the biggest in terms of overall units, even if it has no heavy tanks. Actually, i think it is the most manoeuverable force, even if a tank-light one. I don't know if I lack in AT fire there.
I suppose I will go for the second one (OPTION B), since it has a little bit of everything Don't know if it has fighting potential (seems that the specialist games site is quite weird now, and I cannot download the rest of the rulebook...  but it looks quite fine to me. Diverse, but with some armoured punch. Except against flyers I should do fine. As long as I don't get assaulted, that is!!
Are options A or C better than B? From a "realistic" point of view, I mean. Can a force like C cope with heavy armour? Can A cope with faster formations?
In any case this is a starting buying list. Let's see if I can work on it during this year and have a fighting force soon to place on my display shelf!!
Xavi
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:58 pm |
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If I was given those three and told to pick I would go with B.
B gives you more flexability to deal with what your opponent might toss at you.
Just my .02
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:13 pm |
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:01 pm |
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:18 pm |
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| Quote (dafrca @ 30 2004 Aug.,19:01) | | When you say you are looking for tanks that look different, are you looking for Proxy (non-GW)? |
Yup, that's the idea. My 40k IG army is already doing so since I am using leopards instead of regular leman russes. I thought I would go the same path if I was to collect the epic version of the force as well As long as they are cheaper and good quality, that is. For 40k it is quite easy since there is plenty of 1:35 producers out there. Don't know if the same holds for epic, though.
Health and sixes,
Xavi
PS: don't listen to your wife in these issues. Listen only to the ones that rise your morale and pride, not the others
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:19 pm |
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| Quote (Xavi @ 30 2004 Aug.,11:18) | | Quote (dafrca @ 30 2004 Aug.,19:01) | | When you say you are looking for tanks that look different, are you looking for Proxy (non-GW)? |
Yup, that's the idea. My 40k IG army is already doing so since I am using leopards instead of regular leman russes. I thought I would go the same path if I was to collect the epic version of the force as well |
If you want to go with Modern Stuff, there are lots of options open to you. If you want to stick to Sci-Fi there are still a few good options available.
You will want to visit Maksim's Yahoo Group for 6mm figures. He has a great set of links to many different manufacurers all who do 6mm or 1/285th scale stuff.
The URL is:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm_Miniatures/
That would give you quite a few leads.
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:29 pm |
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:15 am |
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OK, I have settled myself with the following. Neither 2k nor 3k: 2500 points
Mechanized Company 450
- Hydra
- Comissar
Tank Company 650
- Vanquisher command tank (it seems nuts not to take it since it is "free" and better than a regular leman russ...)
Superheavy Tank Company (3 shadowswords) 550
- Hydra
Artillery battery (3 manticores) 250
Too good when compared with 3 basilisks, but that might be me)
Rough Rider Platoon 150
- Comissar
Sentinel Squadron 100
Storm trooper Platoon 350
- Valkyries
- Comissar
And that is all 7 formations, 60 units. Actually taking a second tank company might be better than taking the shadowswords. What do you think?
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:58 pm |
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Overall, I like the list. Two thoughts for you:
| Quote (Xavi @ 06 2004 Sep.,20:15) |
Superheavy Tank Company (3 shadowswords) 550
- Hydra |
I would have three Baneblades as well in your collection and switch them out based on the army I was going to play. For example, against bugs the Baneblades are much more effective. If I did not know who I was fighting then I would take two Shadowswords and one Baneblade.
| Quote (Xavi @ 06 2004 Sep.,20:15) | Artillery battery (3 manticores) 250
Too good when compared with 3 basilisks, but that might be me) |
Keep in mind that the Manticores are slow fire and the Basilisks are not. Also if needed the Basilisks have an AP/AT rate and the Manticore does not.
So again, based on the army I am going to fight, I might want the faster fire (every turn) and the option of AT or AP shots rather then the slower fire.
Anyway, these are just nit picky things, but worth thinking about.
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Post subject: Posible IG list: 3k armoured rgt Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:00 pm |
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Point taken. I pretend the list to be an all-rounder, so I will go for your baneblade + 2 shadowswords combo.
On the artillery issue, I think that I will keep the manties right now. I am getting an artillery company there (6 basilisks + 3 manticores) so getting each one of them should be easy enough. Right now I have the following issues, though:
1) The 6 BP every 2 turns seems much more powerful than 3 BP per turn. Seems that there are clear breaking points in the barrage table, so I think that the manties are more powerful, even if they are slow firing. remember that the manties place one blast marker per hit, not per destroyed unit. This means that they can have a massive impact if I plan to assault an enemy formation
2) If I wanted to fire directly at the opponent I would be getting a hydra battery and save 100 points in the process. Not sure that the flexibility that the basilisks provide is a bonus here. A force should be flexible, but in general this is achieved through combined arms. In general, unspecialized units are overall weaker than specialized ones. At least my experience playing WH fantasy has told me that. It is better to have specialized units acting together. The result is much more powerful than having "average" units that can deal with everything acting together. To shot at enemy formations I have other units (tanks and infantry). The issue of artillery is to rain death from above to the enemy. At least I see them like that.
So far so good. In any case this needs heavy playtesting! but I am still unsure that the artillery change would be good. In a company the basilisk wins hands down. However, in a battery sized formation I think that the upper hand goes to the manties. I might be wrong and massive defeats against me will teach me that but still. Thanks for the input
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so I am taking this as a kudos sign