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The Return of Adeptus Titanicus

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:17 pm 
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I won't be buying anything except maybe the starter box (just for the terrain). I don't like Mars pattern titans (esp. the new Warlord) and I'm not going to buy them. Also it seems that their prices are going to be way above my purchasing power so I'll stick to 6mm, Vanguard Miniatures and, occasionally, eBay.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:56 pm 
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Kriegsspiel wrote:
However, my concern with this attitude is that if everyone adopted this approach, the game will suffer from poor sales and will inevitably end up canned prematurely, with a total lack of developed ranges.


Since the game is not aimed at experienced Epic players, the point is moot, however, experienced players who have the inclination and the money are likely to buy new models to replace or add to their existing collection anyway, especially if any of the new models are an improvement over the old. The option of adding to existing armies is, however, not viable in view of the scale differences, so you could turn the argument on its head and say that GW has effectively excluded a potential group of customers by changing the scale.

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It’s this miserly attitude of using ropey old miniatures that are well past their sell by date that lead to poor sales and therefore a lack of a business case with pretty much the entire Specialist Games range in the past. GW has seen this and at least in part (maybe it really is for better feature detail), opted for an alternative scale size. Good on ‘em I say. If we want this to succeed then people need to not see this as an opportunity to dig out your badly painted chaos army, covered in Bilious Green and Titillating Pink paint, with bases showing evidence of male pattern baldness, but instead embrace this new game as exactly that; something entirely new. Let the moths out of your wallets and spend some money.


You're making a number of rather sweeping statements there. First, the lack of business related much more to a lack of marketing and support by GW. You have to remember that second edition Epic was GW's third core game. The change to Epic 40K was poorly explained and poorly marketed, and the result was a massive drop off in sales which was never reversed. Second, quite a lot of the infantry models for Epic were available until just a few years ago, so they're not that old. Third, my Chaos army isn't even painted, so that's not a problem ;). Fourth, and most importantly, the assumption that we all have money to spend is flawed. I have no money available to spend on GW at all, so comments about moths and wallets aren't very helpful.

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I know many of us have said already that we have all the Epic we want or need. I started Epic in '90. Also if the "new" IG looks anything like the "new" FW 40K scale IG ... I wouldn't buy it regardless. And as I and others have said before. With all the new Great 6mm - 10mm Sci-fi available today. I think we have a lot of choices. And IMO, many better that what GW is making ... I think this new 8mm Epic is not targeting old Epic players. Because, we either have all we want or need. So IMO, Generally those new buyers are going to have to carry the day for the New Epic sales ... Plus a few old timers who may like the new models, I for one are not one of those ...

But it's your money. And always do what works for you ... not me ... or anyone else here or otherwise ... ^-^

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As very new to Epic (Just a few games in at conventions the last 2 years) and still not too heavily invested I very much welcome new models! I am already paying premium for old GW-stuff on ebay so might as well pay premium for new FW-stuff instead. Especially if that stuff is as cool as the elusive oop forumware-stuff not available for "younglings" like myself. If the new game is fun I'll probably play that too ^_^


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@Keiegspiel - good points, well argued. I am looking forward to some nice new "minis" too - as modelling projects if nothing else.

But I will plan to test the rules with my old stuff first to check its worth shelling a lot out on though ! :-)


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:44 pm 
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So just why are the plans to do its rerelease in 8mm. I don't think it's for the benefit of the community that has kept the game going for 30 years and multiple editions.

(Lobs petrol on the fire).....


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Of course it is not for the benefit of that community. GW wants you to throw away your collection of old models and buy everything new from FW. It is simply as that. I've just recently (cca. 2 years ago) started my Epic journey and even I'm not going to trash my small collection.

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I will buy some even though the chasis will be sold separately and then you buy weapons and heads separately. I can understand the reasons for this but it drives up the cost of a completed titan.


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lylekelm wrote:
I will buy some even though the chasis will be sold separately and then you buy weapons and heads separately. I can understand the reasons for this but it drives up the cost of a completed titan.


Source for that assertion? A kit with everything would surely have made more sense (and followed GW practice of raising prices through the addition of 'bitz'). Oh, wait, Forgeworld Resin, which apparently is ground down from the bones of virgins. Of course they'll be retarded and anti-consumerist every chance they get.


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Hi Doomkitten. The source is bell of souls . See the link on page 17 of this thread . Link Posted by xerxeshavelock.

Also This is consistent with the way Forge World packages their 40k titans etc.


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Handier for us to have separate weapons. We could buy the odd 8mm scale weapon to convert for proper 6mm epic e.g. on an Ordinatus or to model a giant orbital defence laser for scenery or an objective.

Buying weapons separately will 95% likely be what they do, it's how they sell their other customisable kits like dreadnoughts, titans, ect.


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I stick by my points. If you’re not interested in the game or scale then I’m obviously not suggesting that you need to go out and buy miniatures for a game that I would like to see succeed.

I will keep buying forumware 6mm as long as it’s available. I’m also really hopeful those creative sorts out there keep designing their own miniatures for all to buy. But this new game isn’t Epic 40K, it’s Adepts Titanicus. This game is set in the time of the Horus Heresy so you won’t be seeing the likes of Tau, ‘nids, Orks etc. This is all going to be about the Imperium versus the traitors and Chaos. Also, AT isn't Space Marine, Epic 40K, or Epic Armageddon, but a game based around Titan combat rather than infantry and tank formations. There's nothing stopping the two games being run in parallel for a different gaming experiences. I've been wanting to play a decent Titan simulator for years and was starting to develop my own set of rules for gaming with mates. I’ll keep collecting my Tau, IG, and Orks bought on ebay, all manner of forumware proxies, and keep making 6mm scenery. But I will also buy this new AT stuff as well when it becomes available. I won’t, however, be trying to shoehorn my current forumware Chaos in a game of AT at my local gaming club. It’s for Epic set in the 40K era and it will stay that way.

Of course if you literally don’t have money to spare (Irisado) then, again, I’m not aiming my arguments at you. It was at those that want to continue using old stuff ad infinitum whilst expecting a company to spend 6 figure sums on developing new systems. I agree that poor sales were in part due to poor marketing too, but from what I hear, GW has a new CEO and he’s a proper gamer, not the pure sales driven douche type pushing 40K and turdhammer. He trying to steer the company in the right direction and I’m just saying if people want to see more of it, then you need to support it. Of course if you don’t give a rats, then don’t. Buy whatever the *uck you want. ’Tis a free country after all.


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I'll buy it if it works well as a "skirmish" game with just a few models on each side. Given the prices I'm anticipating from FW/GW, I won't want to buy full armies all over again, and I wouldn't buy the rulebook if it were to EA. But the rumors have it being much more detailed than EA - different enough that I'd be happy to play and collect for both systems. Especially if there's a campaign system with upgrades and experience for your titans.


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If you guys really want to play a detailed titan only game with a crew experience system titan upgrades and a campaign background set in the horus heresy period then why not go back and play the original Adeptus Titanicus which has all this already and use your existing epic titan models and terrain, would save you a bunch of cash and you can play it now.

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moredakka wrote:
If you guys really want to play a detailed titan only game with a crew experience system titan upgrades and a campaign background set in the horus heresy period then why not go back and play the original Adeptus Titanicus which has all this already and use your existing epic titan models and terrain, would save you a bunch of cash and you can play it now.

Just a thought.


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