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Dive Bommas
Legion 4	Post subject: Dive Bommas Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2003 7:39 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Let there be no doubt, I will buy the rule book, supplements etc., etc.  But I'm really looking forward to the new models from G/W & F/W. !!!   In the rules, Jervis did mention where he got some of his ideas from noted military authors and other facts from additional sources, so if nothing else, he at least did his "home work".  Being a former "Grunt" Officer and closet historian, that holds a lot of weight with me ...  However every one should be free to make their own decision.  You could even use Epic models for Monopoly tokens    !!!! _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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dafrca	Post subject: Dive Bommas Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2003 9:56 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	"My Landraider just landed on Park Place. I think we will attack your hotel..." What an odd, yet funny image your comment brought to my mind   dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com
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Legion 4	Post subject: Dive Bommas Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:55 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	You know someone's going to play a game now and maybe they'll show us a pic of a Predator on Marvin Gardens and an Ork Warbike in Jail !!!   _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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Jimbo	Post subject: Dive Bommas Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:30 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	Quote (dafrca @ 13 2003 April,21:56) "My Landraider just landed on Park Place. I think we will attack your hotel..." surely you mean "liberate" though it could be attack if the international press were holed up in there... _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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Legion 4	Post subject: Dive Bommas Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 4:49 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Jimbo, you must be watching as much TV News as I do, since the start of hostilities.  After watching 3 different stations, I'm still trying to figure out if the Orks are part of the Coalition.  And we'll have to have Jervis put a rule in E-A about if you shoot at a building, you must roll to see if any of the Media are in there.  If so you can't shoot or move for a turn ... , out of fear of getting "bad press" ...   _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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nealhunt

Post subject: Dive Bommas Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:18 pm

Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA

>> I don't like the organization charts, they are as weak as E40K's, sorry ?, they just don't work for me. - Legion-4? Really? ?I think they are good. They are loose enough to let the Ork players cobble together true Mobz, while the Imperials are structured. Both allow for rapidly choosing forces, like the old card system. What is it you don't like? Maksim: ? I am beginning to think the Ork war engines are not worth taking, at least not against IG. Someone posted a bit about taking a Stompa mob with a Supastompa and using it as a garrison unit. That's illegal, but I thought for 350 points, instead of taking a Supastompa, you could take _7_ Stompas. ?I think the firepower would balance out (more shots versus MW and titan killer weapons), but it would be more durable, and it could garrison. ?If you are really worried about the lack of titan killer/MW shots, take 5 Stompas and throw in a couple Oddboyz upgrades elsewhere. So, it's disppointing that you can't effectively field Gargants against IG, but there are some very sweet, yet deliciously Orky options. _________________ Neal

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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: Dive Bommas Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:54 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Maksim:   I am beginning to think the Ork war engines are not worth taking, at least not against IG. Someone posted a bit about taking a Stompa mob with a Supastompa and using it as a garrison unit. That's illegal, but I thought for 350 points, instead of taking a Supastompa, you could take _7_ Stompas.  I think the firepower would balance out (more shots versus MW and titan killer weapons), but it would be more durable, and it could garrison.  If you are really worried about the lack of titan killer/MW shots, take 5 Stompas and throw in a couple Oddboyz upgrades elsewhere. - Neal. Neal, Thanks for your great input. I really appreciate you writing. It's keeping me somewhat connected to E-A during a period where I'm more than a little frustrated with the system. I experimented with Stompa mobs earlier in the playtesting and found them highly effective units against both IG and SMs. They were pretty good as garrisons as well. One of the big bummers though was having a slow Ork garrison force while the IG or SMs were bringing a faster force that would field NOTHING on the board the first turn. It made the Orks air strike fodder while I couldn't touch the Imperials. This makes all games for Ork players a gamble: to bring enough airpower to maybe defend against an Imperial airstrike or not? One of my solutions was to always bring a huge flight of Fighta-Bommas and a secondary smaller flight of Bommas. The Fighta-Bommas weren't all that great at defending, but they did take the edge off those vicious Imperial Marauder air strikes. I could then vector in a flight of three Ork Bommas, which is really hard on Imperial formations. It usually took only one Ork Bomma flight to break any SM formation or seriously wound IG formations. Another experiment I tried out was to bring a mob designed to have two Supastompas (this was before the cruddy 0-1 rule), some Stompas, and a Mekboy shield car dragster to protect them. That was when Deathstrikes made my day a bad one. Being that units that take advantage of the better save from the shield car had to be within 5cm of the unit, it made my Ork formations artillary bait. I still almost won the game by taking objectives until the IG armored formation contested. Ork Stompas are now better at CC, but they lack in almost every other area compared to earlier versions. 0-1 limits make it difficult to really maximize possible Ork advantages with special weapons. The additional limited of weapons choices such as on the BFs (Battle Fortresses were able to carry a Supagun option at one time) really makes BFs less attractive. I no longer see them as much of a competitive unit even though in earlier playtesting, I loved them. I now see that the only way for Ork players to be competitive is to bring huge KoS (Kult of Speed) units and mob the enemy, pretty much the same wooden sort of game play the Orks had in Epic-40k. In the early playtesting, Orks could use strategies other than a simple rushing mob. That's pretty much destroyed now. I don't see that maneauver has too much value for Orks anymore. They have to win the fight in the ensueing CC and hope to survive the enemy's long range firepower furing the rush (sort of like the Orks in BFG). So, it's disppointing that you can't effectively field Gargants against IG, but there are some very sweet, yet deliciously Orky options. - Neal.

Gargants seem to be marginalized. They're sort of like the Ork Space Hulk in BFG, a big target with good firepower, but really not that hard to take out for a good trade in points if the enemy is willing to take caualties. The best thing about the Gargants is that they are the only Ork units likely to survive more than one encounter with the enemy. That's half the reason I took an Ork Space Hulk in BFG: it was my only unit that wasn't perfectly paper thin.

How are you using Gargants?

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

P.S.
Why is the Stompa mob an illegal garrison now?