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New Fanatic combined mag - Epic perspective
Bad for Epic 14%  14%  [ 2 ]
Wont make much difference 29%  29%  [ 4 ]
Good for Epic 57%  57%  [ 8 ]
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Epic in this months White Dwarf
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The White Dwarf coverage is one of the two things that depresses me the most about the release of EA (along with all of the pricing problems).

The coverage received in WD has been less than E40K received on its release, and we all know how that went. WD is already critised for being little more than a GW catalogue, and these 'features' seem little more than adverts.

In my opinion, they have completely missed the point and failed to draw on the things that people love about Epic, the big battles, war machines and strategy in the game. A playtest report which talks about how good the rules are (which is not the way to sell a game), a new army list (without the support of the readers) and a small article on collecting Guards dont draw on why we play it.

It is a very depressing situation, and I get the impression that WD are failing to allocate the pages required for a decent battle report. Hell, if Jervis wanted a serious report, or long articles, there would be a queue of people volunteering.
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Worse still, I get the feeling that EA has now had its '3 months coverage' and that a new game will be in WD next time, with Epic having to wait a year.

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I agree- I have read the WD which was a welcome sight on my doormat when i got home from work last night. I flicked all the way through it looking for interesting stuff, and completely missed the Epic Armageddon article first time round because it was so short.

I agree with everyone clamouring for a 4,000+ points Epic batrep. We want to see aq couple of titans/gargants, some air power and massed armour formations. That would have got so many more players hooked on the game and buying more figures.

I still remember an old WD from about 12 years ago that featured the first Epic batrep- the sheer scale of the forces was part of the appeal- something you can not get in W40k.

A missed sales/marketing opportunity by GW. lets hope there's a decent Epic batrep in WD before the summer WFB campaign & relaunch of W40k. If they can't fitin Epic in WD soon then they never will....

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Hopefully, with E:A's arrival in the US, the decadent capitalists will buy freely :unclesam: ... I know I will ! :;):

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:34 pm 
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I remember buying my first issue of WD because it had an article about Battlemasters and then seeing/reading the battle report between Blood Angels and Chaos. ?In Epic scale, of course. ?Later, when my friend and I went to the game store to buy a new game he wanted me to buy Warhammer but I choose Space Marines instead and have never regretted that desision ever (ok maybe once, but that was a long time ago).

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Quote (Dooglebug @ 19 2004 Mar.,23:05)
While i remember, i was also a little puzzled at how the valkyries and vultures were advertised. WD said they came in a blister of 4 valkyries and 2 vultures for ?10 which seems a little odd and contradicts the epic catalogue. Does snyone know exactly how they will be sold?

According to a post by Jervis a couple of months ago (when the release schedule was posted on the E:A site) that was a typo and Valkyires + Vultures will come in a box with 4 of each.
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Quote (CyberShadow @ 20 2004 Mar.,12:28)
Worse still, I get the feeling that EA has now had its '3 months coverage' and that a new game will be in WD next time, with Epic having to wait a year.

Look at page 114. Epic Armageddon is back in the next issue, if only in a short sounding article on Epic's future.
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Quote (CrimsonFury @ 20 2004 Mar.,17:12)
Quote (Dooglebug @ 19 2004 Mar.,23:05)
While i remember, i was also a little puzzled at how the valkyries and vultures were advertised. WD said they came in a blister of 4 valkyries and 2 vultures for ?10 which seems a little odd and contradicts the epic catalogue. Does snyone know exactly how they will be sold?

According to a post by Jervis a couple of months ago (when the release schedule was posted on the E:A site) that was a typo and Valkyires + Vultures will come in a box with 4 of each.

But this isn't a release schedule, it's actually on the new release page at the start of the Dwarf, colour pics and all. If it's a typo that has been picked up, why has it reappeared? If I sound a bit frustrated, it's 'cause I want to get some of them too :)
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Hi!

Guys, I have mentioned innumerable times, epic, is a fanatic game, not a mainstream GW core line game.

This means poor support, poor availability and poor sales penetration. It WONT be the fans that fail epic, NOR fanatic games, as before its all on GW regional operations to push this game. If even with favorable sales they refuse to give it full support, then I think we all now what to expect. It's being marketed as a "flavor of the month" with no longevity.

There's no excuse, the amount of fans out there would give them a queue of useable material for articles so long that they'd have enough for years.

I have the firm belief that fanatic exsists on Jervis's good will and perseverance alone. If it were up to corporate GW, it wouldn't even exsist.

Let's concentrate on buying fanatics products so stock wont pile up and more units and materials can be released. Don't depend or expect anything from GW in this regard.

Epic will sink or float by the fans and fanatics support, I dont see any support from anywhere else.

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Quote (Jackhammer @ 20 2004 Mar.,18:07)
Look at page 114. Epic Armageddon is back in the next issue, if only in a short sounding article on Epic's future.

That is strange, as I was talking to a GW staff member today, and he said that all of the Epic stuff would be cleared out at the end of this month, to make do for Warmaster, which was the next focus game and would get the focus in WD as well.

I seriously think that Epic will not get even the small exposure that it had the last few months.

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Hi!

I really think this "rotation of specialty games" really hoses the new epic. It takes away the new games "thunder" by deviating attention to "the next new thing". It re-inforces the common conceptions that specialty games wont be around for long, nor count with real support.

Geez, give the game a chance GW!

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This is compounded by the delayed (or reluctance) of GWUS to release Epic:A in the US.  This is a load of cr@p in my opinion, even with limited support it should have been availible worldwide from the start.

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Hi!

I agree. Couldn't really figure out why it wasn't released by all GW's at the same time like most of their games.

GWUS is of late, doing a lot of dubious and customer hostile things.

Who knows if they'll really support anything beyond the core games.....

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it wasn't released because it's a SG release, and we can't compare it to any other release because it's the first SG release (all other Fanatic games were released as GW before the formation of the SG team).
As Jervis explained, the SG production/distribution system is handled differently from the core GW system.
SG also have to cope with the various policy of Local GW incarnation (GW-US, GW-Oz...). The current success is for europe, since SG is working at the european scale (apart the translation issue). Jervis allready stated that similar distribution system will come for the US and then OZ.

The amount of production strenght and advertising/support (overall, the amount of investment) GW is willing to put into fanatic games seems pretty limited, and i must say i would be surprised if Epic:A get any support in GW outside UK. In europe, there wasn't anything in WD outside UK. neither french, spanish, not german edition got anything...

The fact is, E:A seem to sell quite well WITHOUT the usual advertising/propaganda in WD, wich seems to make GW right about their choice considering the very limited promotion of the game, even if us player would quite like to get as much materials and coverage as possible.
I must admit, anyway, that the playtesting give us much material available from the launch of the game (number of lists available for example) more than any game had at launch it seem. Even if most of those list are not yet "tournament official", they are nevertheless quite finalized and playable.

Another thing to notice : the Rulebook having been out of stock 2 times now obviously mean it sells very well : which may encourage GW to make more rules available online, as the economic model proved good and working. This is quite good news, as i think the extensive playtesting the game had is one the factor that make the rules so good (Most player consider this is the best incarnation of the epic system so far, after all, and i'm one of those), and the result seem to indicate the same method may now be applyed to other games.

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Well more WD coverage would be nice, but Epic will get coverage every issue in Fanatic mag which is due to start in May. It will be bi-monthly for the first few issues, then switching to a monthly release around September.

I think combining all the specialist game magazines into one (Fanatic mag) is a good idea, and could help draw more players into the specialist games since they get the magazine to read about one game and then get sucked into the others too  :D
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Quote (Jackhammer @ 20 2004 Mar.,18:16)
But this isn't a release schedule, it's actually on the new release page at the start of the Dwarf, colour pics and all. If it's a typo that has been picked up, why has it reappeared? If I sound a bit frustrated, it's 'cause I want to get some of them too :)

Yeah White Dwarf and the online store are famous for getting these kind of things wrong.

I'd go with what Jervis says, so far every time theres been confusion about what comes in one of the boxes Jervis has always been right and the WD\mail order ppl wrong ;p
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