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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:38 pm 
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I'm probably missing something, but the original rulebook had 'However, any hits scored may only be applied to enemy units that are actually taking part in the assault.' for supporting fire, limiting casualties to those units that fought.

The 2009 PDF (and therefore the NetEA PDFs) don't have this clause.

Is there anything in the current rules that restricts supporting fire hits to units that fought?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:48 pm 
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IJW Wartrader wrote:
I'm probably missing something, but the original rulebook had 'However, any hits scored may only be applied to enemy units that are actually taking part in the assault.' for supporting fire, limiting casualties to those units that fought.

The 2009 PDF (and therefore the NetEA PDFs) don't have this clause.

Is there anything in the current rules that restricts supporting fire hits to units that fought?


From the rulebook, highlighted the relevant part.
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1.12.6 Supporting Fire
Both sides may call upon support unless the defender has been
wiped out or the attack stalled as described above. Calling on
support allows units from other formations to attack with their
firefight value if they are within 15cm and have a line of fire to
an enemy unit directly involved in the assault
. In this case
‘directly involved’ means belonging to the attacking or
position to attack.
This rule represents units from both sides
that are not directly involved in the assault lending supporting
fire when they see their friends coming under attack. Units
from formations that are either Broken or Marched this turn
cannot lend support


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:50 pm 
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Yeah, I've read that, multiple times. Where does it limit hit allocation rather than limiting who can give supporting fire?

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Third FAQ:

http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/faq/#supporting-fire

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:09 pm 
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Can hits from supporting fire carry over on to units that weren't “directly involved”?

No.


That's the bit I was missing. Out of curiosity, when was it added?

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In its current form, the most recent FAQ review. It might have existed before that on a forum post somewhere, but it definitely wasn't in the FAQ PDF that was up on GW's site.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:15 pm 
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Ta. I had a 2013 or 2014 tournament PDF and it wasn't in there.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:18 pm 
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missed the end of 1.12.6
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Roll to hit using the firefight values of the supporting
formations, and then allocate hits and make saving throws as
you would do for shooting attacks. Once all casualties have
been removed you must work out the result of the attack.


you have to follow normal allocating of hits, only units that can be targeted can be allocated a hit.

As with shooting you can only allocate hits on units that were in range and LOS, you cannot allocate hits on units that don't meet both criteria (unless the rules state otherwise, barrages for example).

In supporting fire the attacks are limited to "directly involved" and 15cm (FF support range) so allocation is limited to "directly involved" and 15cm.

Also do not forget that attacks are pooled so if 2 or more supporting formations are involved then attacks can go on any that are within range (15cm) and "directly involved" from any of the supporting formations.


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dptdexys wrote:
missed the end of 1.12.6
you have to follow normal allocating of hits, only units that can be targeted can be allocated a hit.


My issue was that the 'bare' 2009 text is worded as a restriction on who can fire, not a restriction on who can be targeted.

Anyway, it's covered by the (newly added?) third FAQ entry.

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