Hi Dave!

Understood the goal for these objectives, it would be very helpful to develop scenarios.
Even so, some of the ideas in the pdf could be included (for instance, an objective that causes damage when hold could be interesting!).

The "unnamed" objective...I imagine as a defendable position that is "activated" (a bunker or X that once you enter it, you can activate it and it stands by itself)...so...strong point?

The Rescue objective I think should clarify (at least) some "wierd" situations. As it is right now you can only "recapture" the objective if you completely destroy the formation. Shouldn't be also possible by broken it? Maybe specifiy that once the formation is broken it automatically "leave" the objective.
Another thing that maybe should be avoided is the possibility to air transport the objective.

I would not remove the Target objective. Creating a "standard" bunket/objective formation would simplify the scenarios (in my opinion).
About this, how do you prevent the destruction of the objective with extreme range shoots/artillery? I think it should be prevented somehow...or it would beneficiate a lot certain armies.
Maybe you could state that the objective is only "destroyable" in engagements...it would favour the big formations vs the lonely comissar capturing objectives.

Thanks!

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All you have to do is destroy the unit carrying it and break the formation (whether by shooting or an assault). After that the formation can't pick it up because its making a withdrawal move.

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There is some very interesting game dynamics created by some of these alt rules that would present good tactical challenges for games.

I agree that the rescue objective creates some problems though. It is the only one that works instantaneously so could be modified to take effect in the end phase. But also who can pick it up? Can a warlord titan pick up the objective? It might be best to specify a non we can pick up the objective.

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Some armies could also cause difficulties with rescuing an objective - Necrons and Harlequins, I am looking at you . . .

I was going to suggest 'Fortified' for the currently unnamed objective, but I think Gwydion's 'Strong Point' is better.

I would suggest that a Rescue objective must be claimed in the usual way, and then may be moved in the following turn by that claiming unit.
I think there's need to be a few odd specifics though- like that maybe the rescue objective can't be taken through a teleport (or equivalent), or placed on a Flyer, as that would be far too powerful for some armies (as others have pointed out).

"Supply Dump" for the one that unnamed. You own it, until the enemy takes it?

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To keep it as generic as possible I would let "who can pick it up" to be laid out in the scenario.

And ya, some armies can easily pick it up and take it off the table never to return. Not sure what you can do about that, aside from making a scenario that is not solely Rescue objectives.

Geep's suggestion is a good one, contest/capture them as normal. After that you can move it. At least that way you have a turn to prevent the opponent from portaling/aircrafting it off. Thoughts?

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I think Geep's suggestion solves it. If you capture it at the end phase if the unit (and the objective) are not on the table the objective is not captured, right? This way those armies are not very interested in "hiding" it.

Other option...if the unit holding the objective leave the table for whatever reason the objective is left where it is and it is uncaptured.

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I wanted to let the thoughts pile up for another week before posting, but I'll be at Adepticon this Thursday. So here's stab #3 a few days early. In Google Doc format too!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1meW ... sp=sharing

I re-factored Rescue to take the suggestions into account. I also did the same to Hold, as I still wasn't happy with it. Any thoughts on that one Kyrt?

Finally, I couldn't figure out a way to make "Strong Point" into a verb like all the other names so I went with "Fortify".

Next week I'll see about posting a "different types of victory conditions" thread.

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It is indeed quite complicated. It's not quite as I pictured it (eg as written it needs to be the same formation turn to turn, that might actually make more sense although requires more tracking).

Let me have a go when I get on a keyboard.

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How about (this doesn't require that the same formation remains on the objective without breaking):

Take & Control

To achieve this victory condition, you must take an objective in one turn and remain in control of it in a subsequent turn. In the end phase, check the status of the objective:
- Taken: A player has “taken” an objective he does not already control if he has at least one unit within 15cm and his opponent does not.
- Controlled: A player “controls” an objective that he took or controlled in the previous end phase if he has at least one unit within 15cm, regardless of whether the enemy does.
Units from formations that are broken or rallied that turn cannot take, control or prevent the enemy from taking objectives.

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This work?

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how about linked objectives whereby they only count if you have both?

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I think that can be written into the scenario. As an example from the tourney scenario, the "Take & Hold" goal is controlling 2 of the objectives on your opponent's half of the table. Given that, in the victory conditions of the scenario you could create "Goal X" which you get if you capture both objectives or whatever other condition you set.

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Sorry for the huge off-topic but... does the objective on your opponent's edge (the Blitz) count towards Take & Hold ?? (we have always played like it counts but the question arose in one game).

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