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CAPPING YO' CAP ! (And other stories)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:28 pm 
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Can someone give me a very quick rundown on the procedure for "capping a cap"? (Or point me in the direction of a faq or similar which does.) Just want to make sure we are playing it right. And importantly which groups allow it?

And more generally - the procedure for intercepting and defensive AA : Planes on the table get to fire defensive AA after the interception move but before the interceptor's fire right ? (like ground based AA) ?

Therefore when Aircraft on CAP are placed on the table edge they have a location and facing determined presumably for the purposes of determining fire arcs of defensive AA fire ?

Does this position mean they can fire from this position defensively without activating as an intercept?

And finally, when a cap makes an Intercept move, they use this position and facing as their starting point right?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:41 pm 
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can't answer you questions right now but i cansay that you can't actually CAP a CAP.

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 Post subject: Re: CAPPING YO' CAP ! (And other stories)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:09 pm 
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Capping a CAP isn't currently in the rules, though some allow it.

Placing CAP on the board edge indicates where they will enter the game, they are not actually on the table at that point so can't fire defensive AA.

If you allow CAP a CAP I THINK the procedure would be.
1. Make all approach moves.
2. Fire all ground AA.
3. Fire defensive flying AA.
4. Fire CAP attacks (No idea how you'd order that!)
5. Make ground attack...

And that's why I'd never go with CAP a CAP!!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:15 pm 
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Can someone give me a very quick rundown on the procedure for "capping a cap"? (Or point me in the direction of a faq or similar which does.) Just want to make sure we are playing it right. And importantly which groups allow it?

Allowing "CAP a CAP" is a house rule only so if you want to use it I'd use the following answer but keep repeating step 2 (alternating with attacker then defender) until all Interceptions are done, then run with steps 3,4,5 and 6 working from last formation in to original attackers then go to 7.

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And more generally - the procedure for intercepting and defensive AA : Planes on the table get to fire defensive AA after the interception move but before the interceptor's fire right ? (like ground based AA) ?

From the FAQ,
The order of aircraft and flack attacks is
summarised in the following table:
• 1. Attacking air units activate and move
into position.
• 2. Defending player may "un-CAP" up to
one aircraft formation on patrol and
move it into position.
• 3. Attacker's unit ground flak fires at
CAP (if applicable).
• 4. Attacking aircrafts' defensive AA fires
(i.e. not just ground flak)
• 5. Defender's ground flak fires at
attacking air units (if applicable).
• 6. CAP formation fires at attacking air
units (if applicable).
• 7. Attacking air units perform ground
attack or assault.

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Therefore when Aircraft on CAP are placed on the table edge they have a location and facing determined presumably for the purposes of determining fire arcs of defensive AA fire ?

Does this position mean they can fire from this position defensively without activating as an intercept?

Whilst at the edge of the table they are not "on table" so do not get any defensive AA before they actually come onto the table (and they cannot be attacked there either). They are placed where they will "enter play" they have not yet "entered play".
from the NETEA rules pack

Combat Air Patrol (CAP)
Only fighters and fighter-bombers can choose this action. Take an action test for the formation and if it passes set up the formation touching your own side’s table edge to show where it will enter play.

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And finally, when a cap makes an Intercept move, they use this position and facing as their starting point right?

Cheers in advance.

That is the only reason they are placed touching the edge of the table, to show it's starting point. there are no rules about facing as far as I can tell so they could enter from any direction. .


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 Post subject: Re: CAPPING YO' CAP ! (And other stories)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:52 am 
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