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If one was to start Eldar...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:39 pm 
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What would be your suggestions?

And let me say that I'm putting this here as while I'd like a legal and playable list I don't really care overly much if it is NetEA vs EUK. That being said, I do prefer NetEA just because I've got more history there :)

I'm partial to something focusing on an armored force as this is first and foremost a modeling project and trying to hunt down and paint tons of infantry doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.

So first question would be list and suggested force composition?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:41 pm 
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I've been thinking a very similar thing Jimmy. I'm going to be looking at the Mymeara list, plenty of tanks, Hornets and other goodies in there...


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:00 am 
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Eldar are very flexible, so can use a variety of different strategies. In my experience, E-UK Yme Loc are harder to play, and I don't have any experience of the Mymeara list though I agree it looks interesting. That said, you need to pick the troops to suit your style of play.
Unfortunately for most standard Eldar races, you need to take at least 1-2x Guardian formations (to get the Avatar), at least one Aspect formation (for the Avatar which is key) and some Rangers for various roles (I usually take a minimum of 2x formations or 8 units). In Biel Tan that is a minimum of 32 infantry, though it can be fewer in other Eldar lists.
The good news is that the rest of the units are vehicles.

The trick seems to be to pick on a single strategy and build your army accordingly, and on top of that I recommend building in redundancy for the key parts of that strategy (so at least 2x and preferably more of the key formations). Some general comments on other formations

  • Personally I find Titans to be a 'bullet magnet' but if that is your thing, Revenants or Warlock are usually preferred over the Phantom (though Phantom and Warlock are pretty much interchangeable as far as models go).

  • Vampires and Storm Serpents provide remote delivery of formations but can be hard to use well (because the temptation is to attack something remote from the rest of the army). Failing this, you should strongly consider at least one set of Wave serpents for the Guardians and / or Aspects.

  • Falcons are pretty much a given both for AT and AA roles (I prefer at least two). Then add formations to support your strategy - Artillery, Fire Prisms and Scorpions for long range shooting, Jet-bikes and Vypers for mobile support of assaults.

  • The Eldar are about the most flexible army in terms of different strategies, and pretty much all formations work well in the right situation - the main exceptions being Cobra, War Walkers and Howling Banshees which are more niche, so I would avoid these at least for now.

Finally, given a limited budget / time / just starting out, I would strongly suggest looking at the army lists in the E-UK site especially those of the top five players (Steve Gullick, Dave Thomas, Richard Laking, Tim Hunt, Joe Jephson). You could also try playing a few battles with proxies to determine your preferred play style.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:31 am 
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Ginger wrote:
Finally, given a limited budget / time / just starting out, I would strongly suggest looking at the army lists in the E-UK site especially those of the top five players (Steve Gullick, Dave Thomas, Richard Laking, Tim Hunt, Joe Jephson). You could also try playing a few battles with proxies to determine your preferred play style.

This is where I started, particularly I pinched Steve Gullick's list (well multiple variants on one theme) for what I painted first, then have started to add bits from there.

Also it will depend on whether you're going for a specific craftworld as the Ghost Warriors & Wind Rider Hosts of some of the other craftworlds look like they'll demand a completely different set of formations.


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yeah as stated in the OP, looking for a tank heavy list (like if I can not have infantry at all, it'd be grand). not sure if we've got something other than Mymeara which unfortunately is one of the rare lists that are craftworld specific and I really don't feel like painting turquoise.

it probably doesn't matter, I'm pretty much just painting what I want nowadays for fun and playing over the internet anyways

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Well I had originally cack handedly painted some Ulthwe years ago. Since the last official list was Biel Tan, I stripped them intending to paint them all green... Then the Doom of Mymera book came out, which had space wolves (my fave marines) vs. Eldar so I started painting them in a kind of pale blue. I find the turquoise fade a bit ugly so just went for the Temple Guard Blue that GW sell now.

The Troublemaker Games Eloi are beautiful guardian proxies, but trying to scrabble together aspect warriors is a bit of a pain, so I know what you mean about a tank list.

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I think yme-loc might scratch the itch..... although tbh eldar infantry is their best asset so you're giving up a whole lot of awesome by not using them...

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Do what Dave T has done and paint in a neutral colour. This allows him to play multiple lists. Also cuts down on the total number of models that you need.

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Checkout the Epic-UK Yme-Loc list too. Backgroundwise GW says Yme-loc focus on WE and titans and in Epic they've been made that and a general tank list, with a couple of new units.

I'd be inclined to paint them up as whichever craftworld most takes your fancy and then use that with whichever list you fancy each game. Craftworlds are the size of small planets and though Eldar numbers are dwindling the major craftworlds probably still have populations in the millions and any of them could field a tank force if they chose.

No time to comment on army selection but checkout the Epic-UK site. You can pull up every Eldar list used at their tournaments for the last several years with a few clicks and it's good for inspiration / composition ideas.


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Yeah I'll check that list out! Tanks, warenigines, titan? Yeah!
I'm with you GlynG that models color is not the list. My comments about mymera are more directed about that list actually having units that are unique to them as opposed to play style (Guardians, Spirit walkers, etc)

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I'm with you GlynG that models color is not the list.



My purple and yellowish Eldar use the Ulthwe list.

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I play Biel-Tan, Fir Iolarion and Iyanden with the same collection of black, red and yellow Eldar... I just interpret the different "craftworld" lists as different orders of battles in different theaters.


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Interesting topic. I have an Ulthewe force that I painted up for Future War Commander a number of years ago. I am looking at giving them a go using Epic rules.
Eldar seem really tricky to use based on an initial read of the list (although I like this aspect after using OrKs).
I will give the Ulthewe list a go but may look in to the other lists as well (I have a fair bit unpainted still).

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I've just been informed by Apoc that the appropriate term for this type of list is: Panzer Elves.

We shall attempt to conduct ourselves appropriately in the future with the noted corrections. ;D

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Played a game with the E-Uk list and it was an interesting game and the list was quite solid.
That being said my group want to use Net Epic for lists.
Question is which system is played more ( got the impression that the lists were quite similar, until I saw the differences with Ulthewe).

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