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PostPosted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 8:54 pm 
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Ah yes, now it makes sense. IIRC Tuffskull had converted some Grey Knights using the forgeworld multi-part infantry :D


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:05 pm 
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Hi!

Was that multi-part infantry just for show or will it be sold?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:31 pm 
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I agree that the force might be a bit light on AP firepower, but I don't think it's bad.  Taking the Predator Destructor variant would go a long way towards solving that, as would taking the heavy bolter razorback variants, if you felt it needed fixed.

That said, you have a small number of very expensive units.  That makes your force unusually vulnerable.  I think you would do well to look more at adding bulk than anything else.

These are purely strategic suggestions, since I really don't know your background requirements:

1)  Drop the dreads w/ termies.  Plenty of reasons have been posted so far.

2)  Take formations of cheap units.  Bikes or Speeders are the most obvious.

3)  If you feel you need more AA, take a formation of Thunderbolts, rather than another Hunter.  A whirlwind/hunter formation is small, expensive, and will die a horrible death as soon as anything gets to it.  With your low number of small formations, you don't have the resources to spare protecting it.

4)  The razorbacks for the tacs idea is a good one (sorry, forgot who said it).  That would give you a massive 13-unit formation (6 tacs, 6 razorbacks, 1 hunter) with lots of firepower and assault ability.

5)  If you do the razorbacks, consider moving your commander elsewhere.  Either way, consider adding another commander or two.  Your small formations are fragile.  A few well-placed Librarians, Chaplains, or Captains will go a long way towards increasing your ability in assaults.

To fit my personal preferences, I would go with:

Bike formation
Speeder formation
Commander of some sort
450 points

If you _really_ want AA ability:

Speeder formation
Thunderbolts
2 commanders
450 points


Are scouts out, or just stock marines?

With scouts, you could do the second option as speeders, scouts, thunderbolts for (dropping the other scout sniper) 475 points.

Without the dreads, you could do that first option as speeders, bikes, scouts and a commander (still dropping the scout sniper) for 575. [My personal 1st choice]

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:07 pm 
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For what it is worth I would say take the whirlwinds with a Hunter.  Putting blast markers onto the enemy is important if you are going to assault them because of the extra point or two that it will give you in the totalling of the Assault phase. :blues:


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:51 am 
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Quote (nealhunt @ 02 2004 Mar.,04:31)
4) ?The razorbacks for the tacs idea is a good one (sorry, forgot who said it). ?That would give you a massive 13-unit formation (6 tacs, 6 razorbacks, 1 hunter) with lots of firepower and assault ability.

No Problem! :D

I learned this one the hard way, but found that i more than doubles the resiliance of the unit, especially with Knowing No Fear, as you have effectively QUADrupled the number of BMs to break it.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:09 am 
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Quote (CrimsonFury @ 29 2004 Feb.,19:54)
Ah yes, now it makes sense. IIRC Tuffskull had converted some Grey Knights using the forgeworld multi-part infantry :D

You're half way there.

The force will be mainly based on the FW multi part marines & generally speaking, highly converted throughout.

However, its not going to be Grey Knights. That project hit the can when Will Hayes produced his GK & GK termi figures & I lost all hope, so I'm going for a different style.

I bashed together a new list at the airport earlier today & it seems achievable on the modelling front & incorporates some of the suggestions put forward here.

Commander & Retinue
1 Terminator Detachment + Supreme Commander             425
1 Land Raider Detachment                                           400
                                                                          825

First company contingent

1 tactical detachment+6 Razorbacks+Hunter                  525
1 Predator Detachment                                              300
                                                                            825

Scout Contingent

Scout Detachment                                                     150
Bike Detachment + Commander                                     250
Bike Detachment                                                        200
Land Speeder Detachment                                           200
                                                                             800

Titan Legions Support

1 Warhound Titan                                                      250

Total Points: 2700

I'll be doing some further predators, whirlwinds & support vehicles at some point as well, but the main bulk of this force isgoing to take me some time to put together!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:23 am 
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That list looks good to me.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:44 pm 
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wow... a 60? tactical det...
They will sure look absolutely gorgeous, but that's an expensive formation... If i had the money, i know i would quite like to do the same thing...
But i like infantry, and i certainly can't afford 240? for my 4 tac det, not even considering Assault and dev... :(

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:00 pm 
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Quote (Athmos @ 07 2004 Mar.,11:44)
wow... a 60? tactical det...

Please dont remind me......

I've bought a few of the 6 part marines at every show they've had them at over the last 2 years rather than buying in one lump. It somehow seems less painful shelling out ?10 a time......  :-:  :l

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:15 pm 
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Can you say, OUCH!   :p

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:25 am 
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I've already had a couple of emails requesting pictures of my marines / progress reports.

Thus I feel I should point out here to anyone else thats hoping to see what comes of this project:

This is NOT a short term project. I currently hope to have the force ready for Golden Demon / The Epic Painting Comp 2005. It will be a long while before there's much worth showing I'm afraid - if I'm spending this kind of ??on an army as pointed out above - its going to have to be very special & I want to take my time over it.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:29 am 
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Wow - these WILL be good! Good luck Tuffskull!

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