I certainly don't need them to game, but I would love to have them making new 6mm miniatures and would buy boxed sets just to get 6mm infantry in slightly different poses. I like the 40K aesthetic. There some armies, like IG, where proxies are easy to find. I've yet to find anything I'd want to put on the table as Marine or Eldar proxies.

Fortunately, Marines are the one infantry type I may never *need* to proxie, they used to come with evrythig, but I'd love to mix up some poses.

-Allen McCarley

That may well be their rationale, but I think they are wrong. I don't think GW knows how to launch or market an EPIC scale game and thus they need to be able to leverage off of purchases from old players wanting new miniatures, and using old-timer games to lure in new customers.

Witness the total failure of their White Dwarf effort to launch E40K. (Putting aside whether you liked the game or not.). That type of support was completely wrong for a new game. You can "support" an ongoing game like WH40K by printing pictures of brightly-painted new miniatures, and that's the approach GW likes to pursue, but to launch a new game you need to convince people it's fun to play. You need to print battle reports on the level of what you can find in the "Space Marine Battles" supplement that explain how to play the game. But what introductory report did try actually print when introducing E40? Gogards Last Effing Stand! The scenario where one player takes a single War Engine with few tactical choices and the other player shoots at him. That doesn't show combined arms or mutually supporting formations. That scenario has nothing to do with how you actually play any version of EPIC. The second WD issue to support E40K was even worse, as it simply had an interview with the freaking box cover artist!.

For a brand new game, which is what E40K was, they needed buy-in from established players who could spread the word of mouth that E40K was a good purchase. (And as Peter can tell you, that wasn't happening)

Jumping to 10 mm, I think, will land GW with the very same problem, unless they've drastically upgraded their understanding of how to launch a totally new EPIC scale concept.

-Allen McCarley

Why would it become invalidated. If it were true and the rules are good, why can't you play it with whatever 6mm models you have if you really want it?

Again ... why does anybody need GW to play 6mm Sci-fi games ? Along with the Epic rules here, GW models on eBay, here, etc. plus all the very nice 6mm Sci-fi models being produced and available( Exodus War, Onslaught, CinC, Microworld, TMG, DRM, GZG, etc.) along with numerous other rules ( NetEpic, FWC, DS, DRM's Seeds of War, The Crucible, etc., etc. ) sets ... WHO needs GW's support or authorization ... Free yourself from GW's kool aid, brainwashing , etc. ... or continue to "wail and shriek about the night" lamenting all is lost without GW or pining for GW to released another version of Epic ... in any scale ... I'm over 5 decades old ... I'm too "seasoned" to be a blind fan-boy or be wed to only doing things one way ...

Well, those infantry look fine and space-elven and all that, but I'm pretty sure the main issue with eldar proxies is with the vehicles. I have never seen a hover tank as pretty as a newer-style falcon.

The closest thing I've seen is a Battlestar Galactica 2004 cylon raider rip-off. The ID4 alien attacker would also be good, if anyone would have made one in a useful scale for Epic.

YMMV.

Hi L4.

I can't speak for anyone else. But for me personally it is the background and the aesthetic look of GW models thet are important to me. I don't want a generic 6mm battle tank, I want a 6mm Baal Predator. I don't wantva generic 6mm flyer, I want a 6mm Storm Raven. Etc

Cheers

James

Eldar ... check out TMG http://exoduswars.com/products/eloi-established and Exodus Wars ... http://exoduswars.com/products/guild-bounty-hunters

I completely agree. I remember reading those issues of White Dwarf, and wondering what on earth was going on. I stuck to playing SM2 for ten years after the launch of Epic 40K.

Hi!

Totally agree.

The reason epic has died on their watch is because they continue to try to push it in the same vein as 40k. That did not work then, it will not work now. They have never understood WHY people play epic and thus have never been able to market it effectively.

Primarch

I think I'd be more enthusiastic if it were relaunched as a 10mm game. Not only would the infantry (my favourite part of Epic) get fresh new sculpts, but there would be a clear line drawn between the excellent fan-supported 6mm Epic and the official 10mm version. A re-release at 6mm would likely further muddy the waters and dilute the player base.

Ultimately, like wargame_insomniac, I want tiny accurate versions of the 40k designs I grew up loving. At 10mm, that's a lovely new range of miniatures for me to play with, and a new scale of game to enjoy. It's not going to impinge on my enjoyment of Epic Armageddon, nor on 40k.