Does this FAQ apply to AC landing as well?

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I'd say no, the AC has activated and made an approach move, so you can over-watch when it lands.

Planet falling is the spaceships activation, so the AC hasn't actually completed a move. And as they are speed 0 then when they do activate they can't move so can't be over-watched.

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You're saying that if a formation disembarked then the lander could be fired upon? Just not when it lands?

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The answer here is no as an empty AC landing would never trigger OW.

The early interpretation of the rules allowed for players to fire their OW when they wanted either before disembarking troops or after.

This was later changed to disembarkation as being the final part of the move. But as the AC and disembarked units count as the same formation until the end of their activation both maybe shot at.

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From the FAQ, Section 1.10: Overwatch
Note it does present a slightly odd situation where a transport can land to contest an objective, shoot at some target yet apparently does not trigger OW fire. . . .

And Tim is correct. The main issue being where the air-transport was shot at by AA and then by OW fire which was deemed 'unreasonable', so it was moved to after disembarkation. (foiling the use of death-strikes on OW to destroy air-assaults as they landed . . . . .)

I understand the game reason (OW deathstrikes etc) but for AC this sound beardy in the extreme.

Isn't the "fuffy" interpretation that Planetfall is so fast, surprising and vertical that troops get no chance to fire, where as AC doing a landing are moving at sub-sonic speeds on a roughly horizontal vector ? Ie. AC landing does trigger OW (otherwise it creates Ginger's odd/beardy situation instead :

AC landing isn't a "move". Troops disenbarking is.

As Ginger mentioned, one of the main reasons for this is to avoid overwatching deathstrikes from being able to wipe out thunderhawks before they disembark.

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AC landing is not a move?

cool. I agree.
so can we please finally get rid of this fudging bullspit that is aircraft barges?
taa

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Whoa, hold on there and put away the can-opener please

AC land after making an "approach move", which is still a *move*. However it is not a "Ground move". So to that extent they still "barge" like any other WE.

There was a whole lot of discussion way back in the past about what did and did not trigger OW. Ultimately it was decided that a "Ground move" and "disembarking" triggered OW, but not air-transports making an "Approach move" or "Planetfalling".
Here is Neal's comments on this point:-

during an air move, aircraft ignore all ground formations. once it lands, it is no longer moving, and cannot barge
there is not some period of their move when half that statement is true and the other half is not. either it's in the air and too ignoring ground units to be barging, or its on the ground, and too being immobile to be barging.
it cannot be both "on the ground" enough to barge, but not be on the ground enough to be overwatched.

the reverse is not true, of course, it is possible to be overwatched and still not be able to barge (because you end your movement as a ground formation and thus a valid target, and the overwatch triggers at the end of a move, while barging triggers during the move)
but any arguement whatsoever about the inability to overwatch aircraft must, by basic logical progression, make it clear that aircraft barging is against the rules.

also, can we please stop trotting out the "overwatch against AC needed to stop because of deathstrikes" arguement in defense of non-OW-able AC? if anything, the quote suggests that it should be allowed now. the quote itself clearly mentions that this was before deathstrikes got changed and because of the rules that no longer apply. the current deathstrike rules solve the problem. because you need LoS to your target again. the situation which the ruling was created to defend against no longer exists, so the reason for the ruling is no longer valid.
the no OW rule was, as described in that quote, an attempt to change the rules without actually having to directly contradict the rules. so we can therefor Read As Intended, that OW was indeed intended to be able to target aircraft landings.

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