I'd honestly prefer (and strongly, strongly recommend) links. Multiple versions of things rattling around leads to confusion.

If you want a launchpad, the stuff currently hosted at the GW website'll do the job. Just link to it. Or to the NetEA Tournament Pack. Or both.

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Sorry: I didn't mean link to all the individual lists. I meant just linking to the various Epic groups' army list sections on their websites. The NetEA site, for example, has the Compendium, which is pretty stable, and the Tournament Pack (which is useful and has a new-player-friendly number of lists).

I think linking to a lot of individual lists might make things more confusing, rather than less.

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+1

This page http://www.net-armageddon.org/page/army-lists is ideal for introducing newbies to EA lists. Linking there from your site will help reduce confusion. Hosting development lists could add to confusion?

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1) True. But other games don't have twitchy companies prone to throwing out C&Ds like they're going out of style. Also, the rather fragmented development of Epic seems (to me) like having all the lists in one place would create more confusion for new players, rather than less. Also also, when there's an active development organization, pointing people toward it has a certain logic. No matter how dedicated you and the user base are, the official site should still be more up to date. If there's no active development, *then* host the files.

2) The fact that people keep trying to do stupid shit like read long rulebooks on their phones all the time doesn't make it the sort of thing that should be encouraged. Especially since most of the Epic rules and army lists are in tiny fonts and not designed to be read on mobile devices. Were you planning to convert them all?

3) I'm concerned that all you'll end up with is another thing people forget to update.

4) See, I think that's a newbie-unfriendly question to answer. There's a lot of stuff available, and it can be confusing as hell. Even if you organize and present all the lists very well, it's still going to be more intimidating and confusing than "there are three Epic Armageddon organizations. These are the areas they tend to cover (so what people close to you likely use). Here's where you can find their army lists."

At minimum, I think hosting *all* the lists would be very confusing for new players.

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Looks good!


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I'd recommend clearly versioning the copied army lists and rulesets (eg, "version X.Y.Z, pulled from (location) at (date)") so first-time visitors can get a notion of how up to date the site is.

You are doing a great job mate thx!

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The date that you pulled the file, not just the date the file was created. In other words, a way to know how up to date your site is.

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I was thinking more of the way that there's EpicUK plus NetEA plus EpicFR. NetEA's Compendium's about as user-friendly as EpicUK's stuff (we see the mess because we hang around here, after all), but the fact that there's so much (necessary) overlap between the two might definitely be confusing for new players if both sets of lists are presented together.



I'm totes with the times! I am very fond of my phone. I just don't think that I should expect to read long-form things with tiny fonts on it. Or read really long forum threads and then make hundred-plus word posts on it. Or any of the variety of other things people see to expect from a five inch by three inch screen with a minimal keyboard.



True enough.



That's why I wouldn't suggest referring people directly here, but pointing 'em at the NetEA website (which is designed to at least sort-of make sense to new people). Dear God, don't point them here and say "go find your army list". The poor dears will die!

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On that note, it might be useful for people creating army lists as well, if it could have a public sandbox mode.

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