Hey all,

About to pick up a marine army that I will be using as mid heresy sons of horus. Because its a loyalist force im buying, I have a certain limitation on models, though I do have a titan legio to back it up.

So here it is using the netea uk chaos codex black legion.

Retinue, 4 land raiders, 3 vindicators

Retinue, bezerkers, 2 dreadnaughts, dreadclaws

Armoured company, 4 land raiders, 2 predators

Armoured company, 4 land raiders, 2 predators

Terminators

Decimator

Feral titan

Devestation class cruiser

So that leaves me with little AA (only models I own with AA are hellblades which arent great) and 7 activations.

Im considering dropping an armoured company for another retinue with havocs to babysit the home objective and decimator.

Thoughts?? Cheers, Ronin

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I'd give some thoughts, but I first need to see the list you are drawing from.

Do you have a link to mid-heresy sons of Horus list?

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Theres no special list... its the netEA uk chaos codex, from the black legion list. Seems closest to what im after.

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Ok...I am in the US, so please forgive me if the rules are slightly different or if these options don't quite fit.

Without getting into point costs, here are my thoughts:

IMO you don't have enough activations. I try to go for at least nine or 10, and at only 7 activations I think your opponent is going to have freedom to do what he wants at the end of the turn.

Your retinues are very large. I have never played with a retinue that large and I'm not sure if you need it. If you take out those land raiders, you'd have a lot of points to use elsewhere.

Taking Decimators and Titans are both good ideas, but only taking one of each may not be. A lone, smaller war engine is not that hard to break. May want to drop one and take two of the other so they stick around longer.

I am a huge fan of raptors, and you don't have any in your list. If you get a nice unit - even better if you put a demon prince in with them - then hold them back to be a late activation in turn 1 then march them to be in prime position at the start of turn 2 - can be quite devastating.

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Ok, been slammed with work and a first birthday but Ive had time to revisit this list using the red corsairs list.

Retinue: cult marines, havocs
Retinue: cult marines, havocs
Terminator retinue: 2 extra terminators
Hounds retinue: daemonic pact
Thunderhawk
Thunderhawk
Warhound
Warhound
Raptor flock: daemonic pact
Daemon pool: 8 lesser daemons

So thats 9 activations now. And I can easily drop the daemons and a stand of raptors for a wing of hellblades.

Basic plan is the mixed retinues will have bezerkers in combat and havocs in FF and thunderhawks ferrying them into assault landings. The bikes and raptors hold back and counter attack where needed, bringing daemonic aid where required, and the titans link arms and blitz their way to wherever the terminators turn up to help them hold the line (probably fairly deep in enemy territory.

And in the UK lists, raptors cant take daemon princes. Lame but you get that.

Thoughts on the new list??

Cheers, Ronin

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I think that's a good starting point.

Play a game with that list and see what works and what doesn't.

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Ok, got in my first game of epic ever with this list and did quite well. The game went very slowly as my first game and my opponants first game in ages, but much fun was had and while he won on objectives, I had pretty much wiped out his forces, thus giving me a moral victory and associated warm and fuzzy feelings.

Opponant was eldar and his army was basically tailored to negate alot of my fast hurty advantages. Didnt do him much good as my thunderhawks were unscathed by his firestorms and were able to happily unload berker/havocy death that in the course of the game wiped out 2 falcon formations and a deathspinner battery. While one of said formations flew into a big guardian formation and learnt why not to fight wraithguard. They sucked, died and lost the thunderhawk.

Bikes and raptors did little but threatened lots. The raptor/dual warhound assault on the left flank faltered when I lost a warhound in one turn to 5 piddly falcons in a single round of shooting. Soooo pissed.

Lots learnt, will stick with the list for a bit and see how it goes. Will update with tweaks as needed.

Cheers, Ronin

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Er...the Epick UK Black Legion list can't take Thunderhawks. Unless I'm really missing something.

EDIT: Yes, this response is a bit delayed-action.

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Yeah the titles a bit of a misnomer now. Im running a red corsairs list (the second list talks about that) and they can take thunderhawks. Dont get the option of a supreme commander though which Ive since discovered can really hurt.

Have played with the list a little and getting in some more games in against eldar, squats and tau. Did pretty well against the tau but the squats and eldar and did very well against the tau. One of my T hawks is outve action so Ive been using raptors in the remaining one. It works better with the bigger deployment area

Having yet more games today so can hopefully report back with more victories

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Ah, so I was missing something.

Good to hear you're doing well.

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Ok, ran an actual black legion list today when I saw my red corsairs were developmental not experimental (wouldnt think it was only developmental by how balanced it runs).

Ran 2 retinues, one with bezerkers (and rhinos) and one with havocs (warlord went here), 2 terminator formations, a full unit of raptors and another of bikes, 2 feral titans and a unit of hellblades.

Battle again against my mates tau who had a couple of crisis teams (one in an orca), a formation of hammerheads and one of broadsides, 2 fire warrior cadres, 2 formations of tetras and their friends and a couple of tigersharks in the anti titan loadout.

Went reasonably well to start with as my only armour was the titans and I managed to hide these on the opposite side of the board to the railguns. The warlords formation took up residence in a ruined building and after getting rid of some light skimmers spent the rest of the game on overwatch guarding 2 objectives.

My raptors and bikes scare the hell outve my mate which helped control the flow of battle and keep him hemmed into a nice noose. I brought down my terminators in 2 seperate turns because I have a habit of losing the strategy phase and losing both formations. This was a good move as I promptly lost the strategy phase and the first formation.

He brought down an orca full of shit you pants on my bike and broke them which actually worked for me as it let me move them across the board to support my titans later. Sadly for him though I moved my raptors next to them that turn and the following turn and at the start of the next turn I was able to terminator his broadsides and retain to raptor said crisis suits. This destroyed both of these formations and with them, most of his armys punch.

His warrior cadres then tried a breakout against opposite flanks of my force, with very limited results.

In the end I pulled a 2-0 win. Hooray for traitorous scum killing idealistic blue aliens.

Cheers, Ronin

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Developmental is "better" than experimental. And it's always nice to see sneaky Communistic types given what for.

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Really?? I saw it as developmental was still being written and balanced, while experimental meant that it was done on paper and needed playtesting to be sure it played as fair as it was written.

Its ok, did pretty well with the legion anyways so dont hate it too much

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