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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite  Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:09 pm |
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Hi,
we had a number (>10) games with IG, Space Marines, Orks and (since last week) Eldar.
In all games except one involving the IG the IG army lost!!
After a game we usually swap armies and sides and play again with slightly different terrain, so different players lost with our IG army.
This is very surprising to me, as I had the feeling the IG army had some extremely powerful units: the leman russ, the artillery and rough riders.
The IG army varied from game to game but typically used:
1-2 tank companies (10 leman russ)
1 artillery company
1x3 or 2x3 hydras
2-3 rough rider units
1 mech inf company, sometimes improved with Ogryns & Hellhounds
some storm troopers (mostly in valkyrie proxies)
Usually the IG player used the IG army quite defensively, shoot as much as possible and firefight approaching enemies with the storm troopers, mechi infantry and the rough rider (40cm charge).
Most of the time the IG player not only lost by objectives (which would be explained by the rather defensive style) but his army was clearly broken and destroyed by the 4th turn (mostly by enemy assaults).
In our first games the artillery was quickly destroyed by enemy assaults (e.g. Space Marine drop pods) but since intermix the artillery with storm troopers (FF value) and screen it with rough riders it usually survives (but the Artillery, Hydras and the screen bind significantly more than 1000 points!)
I don't think the game is unbalanced, we are probably both playing the IG too defensively but I would like to hear your comments. Do you have similar experiences? Any good moves or other tips for the IG army? Do you play it offensively or also defensively?
thanks
Oliver
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:04 pm |
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I usually play either 3 mechinzed companies each with the fire support upgrade. Or 1 Mech and 2 foot slogger if points are low. ?At a 3000 point game I add a tank company, two Hydras batteries, 1 rough rider, and 1 Thunderbolt formation.
In either case I set up a wall of firepower that when I get Assaulted gives me almost as many units in support as the target has assualting. at the same time the large units are very tough to break.
This force does not move well but you can't park in front of it.
I have not been the victim of Air assualt units yet, my opponent is working on his ork landa. But I have seen few formations that can take the punishment of two of my main formations firing into them. ?A Mech company plus fire support at 30cm has 33 AP5+ shots. ? ?
Don't be afriad to advance with the Mech forces. ?With a double move they have a 60cm movement. ?Combined with a 30cm shooting range they have a long reach. ?
Remember that objectives have no memory. ?I have found it very diifcult to throw enough units at the IG to break them without leaving behind objectives. ?
The IG have to play a waitng game. ?They have to deny victory while keeping their fighting strength intact.
I hope that helps good luck.
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 7:05 am |
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The IG are the best combined arms force in the game. The have lots of FA/CAS, AFVs, and Infantry (plus Cav even!). They should be the easiest Army to use. They can take a some tactical bungling and bounce back because of their numbers and heavy tanks. As a combined arms force, they should be used on the offensive (L4 SoTR), based on mission of course. Your comments appear sound to me C/C. I like your use of Mech Forces(  ) with combined supporting assets ! Did your homework, I see ! 
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Legion 4
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 7:39 am |
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Good point! ?
But starting out in the 101, I am lucky in being experienced in both and use both in the game. I can't wait to do an Air Assault with the new E:A Stormtroops and Valkyries supported by Vultures!
Light Forces are trickier to use, especially in open terrain. But can be used with Mech Forces, I've done it! ?
Oh, the book - "A Bridge Too Far" by C. Ryan... good flick too! 
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:04 pm |
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Hi
I managed to pick up the new SM Battle Company box set at the weekend and started assembling them yesterday. It struck me that the sprue was suspicously like half of the old SM Infantry sprue.
You got the marines with bolters, missile launchers and jump packs but that was it. You did n't get the sergeants, scouts, termies, bikes or command figures.
Does anyone know if something happened to the old SM Infantry sprue mould? Or was this just an excuse to overcharge us and force us to buy the new metal bikes/scouts/termies etc....
Cheers
James
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:51 pm |
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| Quote (wargame_insomniac @ 02 2004 Feb.,20:04) | | Does anyone know if something happened to the old SM Infantry sprue mould? Or was this just an excuse to overcharge us and force us to buy the new metal bikes/scouts/termies etc.... |
The way I understand it:
GW have changed the way they cast their plastics & are using machines upgraded since the 1997 moulds for E40K were designed.
In order to cast the older moulds would have meant considerable adjustment of the casting machine every time any of the epic sprues were needed. This wasnt possible under current production cycles so new moulds had to be made which do fit the current machines & also the production process in the plastics department.
New moulds were too expensive to make from scratch so they re-tooled the components of the old moulds to fit new Boss'. In the case of the SMs (and possibly others, I'm going on a conversation between myself & jervis here, I havent seenthe new inf castings yet), this did indeed result in something which was basically one half of the original._________________ Cheers, Paul "TuffSkull" T. http://hobbybrush.com - My New Website, with thousands of painted Mini Pics :) http://hobbybrush.blogspot.com - My Hobby Blog TuffSkull's notepad- My Old Blog on Wargames Wiki.
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:14 pm |
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Hi!
Hi
I managed to pick up the new SM Battle Company box set at the weekend and started assembling them yesterday. It struck me that the sprue was suspicously like half of the old SM Infantry sprue.
You got the marines with bolters, missile launchers and jump packs but that was it. You did n't get the sergeants, scouts, termies, bikes or command figures.
Does anyone know if something happened to the old SM Infantry sprue mould? Or was this just an excuse to overcharge us and force us to buy the new metal bikes/scouts/termies etc....
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This is GW's version of a "bakers dozen", except that they keep the "extras"..... 
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wargame_insomniac
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:45 am |
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Thanks- it is disappointing- I did n't even have any sergeants to use in tactical squads...
I need to get my small amount of old Epic stuff out of storage.
Cheers
James
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:53 pm |
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I think it would have been better if they'd have put Space Marine Sergeants and Imperial Guard Officers on the new sprues, but we'll just have to make do sadly. I for one intend to track down second hand old ones on e-bay as I want those bits but thats annoying and hassle as otherwise I could have just bought the new boxed sets straight from GW and got them cheaper...
Glyn
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:15 pm |
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Thanks for the offer Legion, I live in Hull, Uk. I've got enough Space Marine Sergeants kicking round to keep me happy for the moment, was more just commenting in general that I thought they should be in the box. I might possibly be interested in aquiring some Imperial Guard Officers, Primaris Psykers and Com-Link guys though (is there anything else on the old sprues that gotted missed off on the new ones, not totally sure as never bought any epic40k ones), do you have any of those you don't want?...
Glyn
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:25 pm |
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The rough riders, heavy weapons and plastic catachans were missed off, although the hws and rough riders have been redone in metal for EpicA...
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:29 pm |
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Sorry G ... but with 6 IG Rgts (including SM1, SM2 & E40K sprues) , I've used all those guys. I just have a number of SM SGTs & (caped) Cdrs left, and I have 6 SM Rgts & 5 Traitor Bns, so I still used a bunch of SM Leaders ! 
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GlynG
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:19 am |
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No worries I'll just pick some up from e-bay at some point. Want to work on my Space Marine army first anyway...
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primarch
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Post subject: Favourite and least favourite Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:47 am |
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Hi!
Did the elimination of the archive also hinder getting sprues?
I'd ask anyway, you never know....
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