2 cents from the Stenberg perspective:


We rather like the current Skitarii statline, here. They are overpriced, though, so we'll be testing them at 250 pts with the new Secutor leader (with the old techpriest leader I'd price them at 225). Also, while the Stenberg list don't have Sagitarii, there is the option of exchanging Hypaspists for light artillery (Rapiers and Mole Mortars, possibly later Interceptor guns), so it is possible to create garrison formations with useful shooting attacks.



We considered dropping the Chimedons to 20pts each, but decided to stick with 25. Yes, 250 is expensive for a transport option, but those 10 AFVs makes a lot of difference in engagement and shooting capability. Of course, the Stenberg list also has a Heavy Transport at 100 points (basically a weaponless Minorus that moves 25cm), so it is possible to get affordable mobility with that.

You are right that it does, but in comparison to a guard mechanized company, you are paying the same price as a regular chimera with the only added benefit being 15cm range a +1 to AT You are losing one transport slot which immediately doubles the cost of transporting the formation. In Skitarii terms, you are making an already expensive formation far more expensive and is it really worth 500 points to pull off?

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We compared the IG Mech cpy to the Mech Skitarii, and considered a 25 pt rebate on the Skitarii and a 5 point rebate on the Chimedons, for a comparison like this:

Mech Skitarii:
9x Skitarii, 1x Techpriest (leader, MWCC), 10x Chimedon - ca 20x FF5+, 30x 30cm AP5+, better inf saves and CC
450 pts

Mech Inf:
12x Guard, 1x commander, typically a commisar (leader, fearless, inspiring. MWCC), 7x Chimera - ca 20x FF5+, 20x 30cm AP5+
400 pts

We think the better inf saves and shooting is probably worth 50pts.

We then decided to put the entire discount on the Skitarii (so Skitarii at 225, and Chimedon at 25 each), to make them more attractive without transports:

Skitarii:
9x Skitarii, 1x Techpriest (leader, MWCC) - ca 10x FF5+, 10x 30cm AP5+, better inf saves and CC
225 pts

Inf:
12x Guard, 1x commander, typically a commisar (leader, fearless, inspiring. MWCC) - ca 12x FF5+, 6x 30cm AP5+/AT6+
250 pts

Even this is probably too expensive for the skitarii, but now they were at least cheaper than the obviously superior IG cpy.


Replacling the tech-priest with a Secutor then warranted a 25 pts price hike back. If they are still sub-par, then we can return them to 225 again, but I think the Chimedons really are good enough to warrant their 25 pts pricetag.

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I think that's still a bit too shooty. it's only a differences of .5 hits per round of shooting and a little more on sustain. Lets leave the minorus for that kind of firepower. It's also not possible to include Sagitarii as an upgrade to the demi-century. The fluff is pretty clear than sagitarii are hypaspists with heavy weapons that are not attached to a demi-century. Any sagitarii that are part of a demi-century would simply be called a hypaspist.



Starting from scratch is mostly what we've done, but lets not toss out the baby with the bath water too! While they aren't the shootiest unit in the Imperium, the demi-century is pretty well equipped. Other than just wanting them to hit harder in shooting, what are we gaining if we end up cascading changes through what we already have? I think that the demi-century, while not more shooty than guard, is better equipped and functions well in it's role provided we get them pointed correctly.

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