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3k Tourney/Regular Ork List: help needed chewing the cud!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:55 pm 
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Evening all, I'm putting together a new Ork list using all my Red models :-), it must contain battlewagons, A brace of Supa Stompa's and a landa: these things help me get things painted!

The idea is to make this my regular 3k list for a while rather than floating around too much.

Other units I'm happy to get painted for it's use: dreads/killa kans/additional flakwagons/additional big gunz.

Here's what I've been using so far:

Ghazgkhull Thraka's War Horde (Epic UK v100909)
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WARBAND [250]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Boyz, 2 Grotz

WARBAND [400]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, Boyz, Grotz, 4 Battlewagon, Flakwagon

WARBAND (BIG) [350]
4 Nobz, 12 Boyz, 4 Grotz, Warlord

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Commandos

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Stormboyz

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
2 Flakwagon, 2 Gunwagon, Oddboy

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
2 Flakwagon, 2 Gunwagon, Oddboy

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB [475]
3 Stompa, Supa Stompa

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB [500]
3 Stompa, Supa Stompa, Killa Kan

MEKBOY GUNMOB [125]
5 Big Gunz

LANDA [200]

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Tourney/Regular Ork List: help needed chewing the cud
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:00 pm 
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You've dropped the fortresses, was hoping to see them again this year.


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 Post subject: Re: 3k Tourney/Regular Ork List: help needed chewing the cud
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:03 pm 
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However, I try keeping the two 'speed elements' working together: the slower stompamobs backed up by and protecting the warbosses big warband and supported by kommando's, the blitz brigades, mech mob and stormboyz zipping around together.
Big Gunz mob takes the Blitz
Landa mob threatens to drop on objectives/important formations (last game they beat a gargant in assualt!)

This means the BTS Stompamob have no flak! So...

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WARBAND [250]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Boyz, 2 Grotz

WARBAND [365]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, Boyz, Grotz, 4 Battlewagon

WARBAND (BIG) [350]
4 Nobz, 12 Boyz, 4 Grotz, Warlord

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Stormboyz

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
2 Flakwagon, 2 Gunwagon, Oddboy

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
2 Flakwagon, 2 Gunwagon, Oddboy

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB [475]
3 Stompa, Supa Stompa

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB [510]
3 Stompa, Supa Stompa, Flakwagon

MEKBOY GUNMOB [125]
5 Big Gunz

MEKBOY GUNMOB [175]
5 Big Gunz, Oddboy

LANDA [200]

The Mechmob loses it's flak but I've still got the blitz brigades, the BTS is now protected from aircraft attacks and with the spare points I droppped a formation of (VERY!) useful scouts (who i usually use as counter attackers and in desperate times as meat shields) to afford an Oddboy upgraded Gunmob: perhaps making the blitz objective harder to take or garrisoning further forward on OW as a threat from the start...

I feel the army loses a bit of mobility with this though...and I really liked the flak on the mek mob: more the better!

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Tourney/Regular Ork List: help needed chewing the cud
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Hi Tim! Well...the fortresses are Black so I'll take them in another Ork list at some point! I've loved the idea of dual supa stompa's for ages! I might PM you a list with the fortresses in! They're all the rage right now!

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LAST LIST!

Ghazgkhull Thraka's War Horde (Epic UK v100909)
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WARBAND [235]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, Dreadnought

WARBAND [400]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, Boyz, Grotz, 4 Battlewagon, Flakwagon

WARBAND (BIG) [350]
4 Nobz, 12 Boyz, 4 Grotz, Warlord

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Stormboyz

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Commandos

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
2 Flakwagon, 2 Gunwagon, Oddboy

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
2 Flakwagon, 2 Gunwagon, Oddboy

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB [475]
3 Stompa, Supa Stompa

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB [510]
3 Stompa, Supa Stompa, Flakwagon

MEKBOY GUNMOB [125]
5 Big Gunz

LANDA [200]



Bring back the scouts, Bring back the mechmobs flakwagon (but they lose the extra boy and grot, who I purchased as I didn't want to lost the transport capacity oppurtunity....and throw a dreadnouhgt into the landamob instead hoping it'll take some hits and slay more than 2 extra grots and 2 boyz could to make up the combat res...

So...oh worldly players: who thinks what?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:14 pm 
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Actually...for TIM's sake here's the only list I can build that only includes Black Orks!
Uses Epic UK's Shield Generators on the Battleforts


WARBAND [365]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, Battlefortress, Oddboy

WARBAND [365]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, Battlefortress, Oddboy

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
2 Gunwagon, 2 Flakwagon, Oddboy

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
Oddboy, 2 Flakwagon, 2 Gunwagon

KULT OF SPEED [200]
8 Warbike

KULT OF SPEED (BIG) [350]
8 Buggy, 8 Skorcha

WARBAND [320]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Killa Kan, 2 Nobz

GREAT GARGANT [850]

FIGHTA SQUADRON [150]
3 Fighta Bomba

EDIT: Should probably buy more Skorcha's for that build!

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Hi

I thought you said list must include Supa Stompas and Landa?

I have been advised against sticking Warband in Gunfortresses/Battlefortresses- I was told that too easy to take out transport with one critical hit.

How many Skorcha's do you need?

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Fortresses seem to work if you go all in with them ie everybody is in them so there are 12+ to deal with

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Not a fan of the commando formation. Used it 20ish times, almost always wished I had a stormboy formation instead.

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Not even for the blast marker laying ability? I figured that they'd be following the Big Mob around so using them to prep the target of an assualt might be a better idea...using the supa stompa formations to go for the targets that need shooting.

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If I want to lay bm's there's better ways to spend 150pts to do that IMO.

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Exampley pous seevoo play? ;-)!

Gunz and FB's are the only two other formations that fit into that bracket...I don't have any red planes!

Gunz aren't quick enough to keep up...

and don't have the benefits of being scouts....

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Blitz Brigades are 150pts. All 3 options are faster (30-35cm), and have better guns & even ff hit potential.
Even numbers doesn't really swing it for the commandos due to their terrible armour.
I'm experimenting with different formation compositions to make commandos work in a couple of other lists because I want to use my lovely commando models in games without actively hurting my army.

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Hmm...might experiment with 4 Deth Koptas...I've got the mini's to paint up...and this is a miniature painting mission!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:19 pm 
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Hey MoK,

Here's my tuppence worth, few slight tweaks below...

Incompertus, 2995 POINTS
Ghazgkhull Thraka's War Horde (Epic UK v100909)
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WARBAND [235]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, Dreadnought

WARBAND [375]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 3 Battlewagon, 2 Flakwagon

WARBAND (BIG) [350]
4 Nobz, 12 Boyz, 4 Grotz

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Stormboyz

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
Oddboy, 2 Flakwagon, 2 Gunwagon

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
Oddboy, 2 Flakwagon, 2 Gunwagon

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB [475]
3 Stompa, Supa Stompa

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB [510]
3 Stompa, Supa Stompa, Flakwagon

LANDA [200]

BLITZ BRIGADE [150]
4 Flakwagon

BLITZ BRIGADE [150]
4 Deth Kopta

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    Changed the composition of the mech warband slightly to free up some points. Also increased it's AA capability.

    Swapped out the Commandos for the Deth Koptas. Ability to double 70cm, and still lay BMs at 30cm, along with a 4+ armour makes them far more versitile in my book. I've had a lot of success with them recently (todays embarassment against Jon aside... )

    Dropped the Gunzmob for a flakbrigade. I don't rate vanilla gunzmobs as being that good as Blitz guard. Without a Zzap in there they aren't that threatening. You might find a flakbrigade more useful to guard your blitz; get them onto overwatch and you can potentially get 8 AA shots and 8 OW shots off against an incoming air assault. The 5+ armour is better too. Just got to offset it against the likelihood of getting the big gunz into cover I guess.

Personally I've have a extra unit of Nobz in the landa in preference to the Dread, but that ones neither here nor there.

Like I said, just my thoughts....

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:51 pm 
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That's a novel approach Daz! I might drop this combo on Ben Edgar next week or so and see what happens...

What about changing the two tiny Gun/FlakWagon Blitzes into a Big one so as to afford another Zzap Gun Oddboy in the Flak Blitz Brigade? 3 Flak, 1 Zzap, hanging around on the back near the blitz.

Loses an activation, might lose versatility of where to lay BM and shoot...means only 3 not 4 fast activations though (excluding the Kopta's and Flak Brigade)

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