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Assuming I have a formation of devastators with transport. A Thunderhawk flies in and loads the devastators, flying off in the end phase leaving the transport behind. Does the transport then just get removed from the table (and game) without giving the Devastators any blast markers for loss of the rhino transports?

I think this is how it would work.

If I'm reading this right, then you couldn't transport the Devs in the Thunderhawk at all, since the entire formation couldn't fit.

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Paging Mephiston to this thread! He was giving me an example on Monday night of doing just this, i.e. embarking with infantry and leaving rhinos behind

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And the parallel text from 4.2.5:

I would say you cannot load the Devs unless they ditched the Rhinos prior to the Thawk landing/embarking.

There is definitely no partially-loaded status available. Both the aircraft and WE transport rules are explicit on that. You cannot have Devs loaded and Rhinos on the board.

However, I could see an argument that the embarkation onto the aircraft is the "move" that takes the Rhinos out of coherency. If that's the way you played it, the Rhinos would have to be removed and the BMs applied to the Devs immediately upon embarkation to avoid the split formation.

I guess this really answers my question. I should really read the documents before coming here with my questions.

You can't pick up the infantry and leave the Rhinos behind, but the infantry can move onto a THawk that's landed and remove the Rhinos when the THawk disembarks. Weird, yes. You get 1 BM for each unit removed, as per 1.7.4. Expendable units removed don't generate the BM though.

... So what Neal said.

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hrm.... that's really annoying, in my only game with marines, I made sure to kill enough rhinos to stop them speeding all over the place yet not all of them so a T-hawk couldn't fly in and grab them.... I assumed that the 'spirit' of the rules would prevent this as you are expected to try to maintain coherency? perhaps I'm wrong about that

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1.7.4 caters for the situation where the formation becomes split up voluntarily or involuntarily, and there are a number of occasions where that could happen; for example after an engagement where casualties are taken on the centre of a formation and the remaining 'wings' cannot move back into coherency with each other. Equally a formation that suffers the loss of a transport may drop sufficient infantry units to remain mobile (they move as far as they can, fail to remain in coherency and are removed).

RAW, I am unsure that a formation is permitted to discard transports to be air-lifted off the table;

However, personally I have no problem with doing this irrespective of how it is achieved. As Dave says, the transport loiters outside until the end of the move (just in case you change your mind), being removed at the end of the turn as part of the disengagement move.