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Discussion on LatD changes
Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:17 pm 
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I'm of the opinion that while the L&TD list is reasonably balanced, it has no real central theme, and once 3 or so variant lists are developed* it can quietly fade into history.


* Each would allow much greater depth and character, rather than the "mile wide and an inch deep" style of the L&TD list:

- Cultist Uprising Army (crappy human cultists + summoned daemons + limited allied Chaos support)
- Traitor IG Army (IG elements + summoned daemons + daemon engines - think Blood Pact type army)
- Daemonworld Army (daemons in their own independent formations + daemon engines)

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion on LatD changes
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:09 pm 
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I'm not surprised regarding the conclusion that Chaos Altars don't make much of an AA option.

I think that the reports so far suggest to me that it would be better not to change the structure of the army, so please keep posting your findings ;D

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:10 pm 
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It will be a while before I get another game in with LatD as I want to dust off some of my other armies, if you just play one thing you tend to become a bit blinkered. But I'm wondering about the structure of the armylist. At the moment you have to buy a coven and then get one support, I would like to hear people's thoughts on if we have a core choice of a coven or traitor pdf/guard formation. Support options could then be split between these core choices. Take coven, choose faction support. Take traitor core choice, choose traitor IG support.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:42 pm 
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Sounds like an interesting idea.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:54 am 
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basically have two army lists in one?

plausible.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:31 am 
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madd0ct0r wrote:
basically have two army lists in one?

Close, one set of core and two sets of support.
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 Post subject: Re: Discussion on LatD changes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:03 am 
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could we fold the demon world variant in there as well then? or are we back to bloating?

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TBH I haven't got my head around the demon world variant as yet. Also the combinations might become too powerful.
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 Post subject: Re: Discussion on LatD changes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:43 am 
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Nice idea.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:52 pm 
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Tiny-Tim wrote:
It will be a while before I get another game in with LatD as I want to dust off some of my other armies, if you just play one thing you tend to become a bit blinkered. But I'm wondering about the structure of the armylist. At the moment you have to buy a coven and then get one support, I would like to hear people's thoughts on if we have a core choice of a coven or traitor pdf/guard formation. Support options could then be split between these core choices. Take coven, choose faction support. Take traitor core choice, choose traitor IG support.


It's a much better idea than removing options from the list. That said, I do wonder whether it's not just more logical to leave these sorts of decisions to the players themselves. After all, they can theme their own list, and I still think that the structure of the list isn't a problem which really needs to be fixed. It's also potentially too restrictive in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:27 am 
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Rather than just repeatedly saying that, demonstrate it

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:53 am 
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Steve54 wrote:
Rather than just repeatedly saying that, demonstrate it


How?

My last LatD list was for a 5k game vs. my buddies Eldar.
I took:
Coven: Demagogue, 11 Cultists, DPact, Iconbearer, 3 Demolishers, 6 Chimera, Hydra
Coven: DPrince (AH), 4 Cultists, 7 Mutants, 3 Big Mutants, Hydra
4 x Coven: Demagogue, 4 Cultists, 7 Mutants, 3 Big Mutants, DPact, Hydra, Chaos Hound, Hydra
Armoured Company
Armoured Company
Artillery Battery
Artillery Battery
Hellfire Cannons
Slaanesh Daemon Knights
Daemon Pool: 1 GD, 16 x Lesser Daemons

I think all the different themes are here - guard units, emphasis on daemons, cultist and mutant hordes, daemon engines.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:50 am 
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Thanks for posting the list, I don't have the time at the moment to check the list, but do you have 1 or 2 hydras in your foot covens?
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 Post subject: Re: Discussion on LatD changes
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:49 pm 
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what points level was that? 5000?

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