OK guys,

A friend and I were playing a nice game of epic the other day and we came across something that we were not sure of.

If, say, a stand of Space Marines (4+ Sv) are in a trench (5+Cover save) and they take an AP hit, do they get to make attempts at both saves? So a save of 5+, followed by one at 4+?

Further to that, what happens if they are hit by Macro weapons? Presumably they would only get the cover save?

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The same thing applies to things with RA. If I have a Leman Russ (4+ RA) in a gun emplacement (5+ CSave) and it is hit by normal AT fire, do I get 5+, 4+, 4+ saves?

And then Macro Weapon fire at the same target?

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Does TK fire allow Cover saves?

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Cheers!!

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Armour saves and cover saves are actually treated like the same thing (except for Ignore Cover weapons). You never take both a cover save and an armour save. Both Macro Weapon and Titan Killer ignores cover saves.

So Marines in a trench only benefit from the -1 to hit.

To expand on what Ulrik says, split the process into two parts:-

• Shooting - (have you managed to get a hit)
  Including -1 for doubling; -1 for in cover etc. these are cumulative.
  
• Result - (or can you survive)
  Use the best save available from cover or armour. These are not cumulative

Note,
1. MW hits can only be saved by Reinforced armour (so normal Marines would die, even in a trench).
2. TK hits are so powerfull that they cause multiple damage and cannot be saved at all by anything except titan shielding (TK shooting uses a slightly different process)

However Invulnerable saves are an extra save that can be taken vs any type of damage (normal, MW and TK).

So make your normal save (if applicable), and if that fails you get your invulnerable.

So, let me check this.

Marines in a trench vs. normal AP: one 4+ save
Marines in a trench vs. MW: No saves
Marines in a trench vs. TK: No saves

Guard in a trench vs. normal AP: 5+ Cover save

Leman Russ in emplacement vs. normal AT: 4+, 4+
Leman Russ in emplacement vs. MW: 4+
Leman Russ in emplacement vs. TK: No Saves

Marine Character in trench vs. normal AP: 4+, 6+
Marine Character in trench vs. MW: 6+
Marine Character in trench vs. TK: 6+

I hadn't realised MW ignored cover saves. So Ignore Cover, MW only negates the -1 to hit.

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Looks correct to me...MW negates the cover save, not the -1 to hit. MW + Ignore cover negates both.