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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW  Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:39 pm |
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my method would be to allow the Inquisitor anything... however everything is double points!
So a 3000pt Ork army would be against the equivalent 1500pt Inquisitor army.
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:46 pm |
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Interesting lists ... I Hope G/W does an offical version. ?We use a "hybrid" concept, for this type of unit. ?We have an =][= stand + Rhino based on an old CJ article. The stand has a Termie, SM officer, SM SGT, IG gunner & IG standard barer. ?An eclectic mix, based on fluff. ?And like SM2 Special Troops, they my be fielded 0-1 per Bn (we also have Traitor =][=s !). ?We use Gray Knight Terminators too, 4 Fire Teams (stands) per unit, 0-1 per Battle Force and may only be purchased if fighting Chaos or 'Nids ! ?Again, based on SM2 and the old fluff. ?It works and is kind of Cool ! ?But, I would like to see SoBs thrown in there somehow ... 
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:43 pm |
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Hi!
Do demon hunters really deserve a separate list? Discussions like this are very frequent on the net epic list. One particularly long one was regarding tech guard. The compromise was to keep them separate but in the same book with the rest of the Imperials.
Just a thought.
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:49 pm |
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But, I would like to see SoBs thrown in there somehow ... |
Not a bad idea. Since the SoB uses many of the same veichles the SMs do this should prove no big problem. However they would require an entire new range of infantry (I wonder what epic scale boobs look like  ...sorry!) which is pretty expensive and probably won't happen until many of the other races has been produced (oh my god, I'll probably have children by then  ).
I'm biased on this:
On one hand the Daemonhunters could be done rather inexpensively and thus easily be squeezed into the schedule.
On the other hand: to add more substance to a Daemonhunter list it would be quite appropriate to include the Adeptus Sororitas... but this would probably push back the release of the range somewhat...
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:50 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 08 2004 Jan.,09:43) | | Do demon hunters really deserve a separate list? |
Depends on what you mean by an army list.
The Inquisitor/Daemonhunters list I am working on has very little in terms of new units and rules but its mostly structural restrictions for building an Imperial army lead by an Inquisitor with Grey Knight support formations.
One of the key elements of EpicA is that Jervis is intending to create a large number of army lists based on structural restrictions that give the army a different play experience.
So an "army" like Daemonhunters is quite possible in EpicA because you can modify the base structure of the force without having to actuaally do any modifications to the consituent units that make the army up.
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:52 pm |
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| Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 08 2004 Jan.,09:49) | | Since the SoB uses many of the same veichles the SMs do this should prove no big problem. |
Other than issues with the background. I don't think it would fit in to have SoB units running around with Inquisitors.
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:56 pm |
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Do demon hunters really deserve a separate list? |
One could imagine a "Servants of the Imperium" list (or set of lists) which could include SoB, Ordo Xenos and Daemonhunters. Tech guard would probably be added to the Adeptus Mechanicus list which has been mentioned by Jervis on several occations.
The Servants of the Imperium could then be used in conjunction with other Imperial lists as the only exception to the "no allies" rule.
...Just a thought
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:56 pm |
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Hi!
It seems its the same conept we've used for net epic then. You have an overall "theme" say Imperials, then have the lists designed so as to make a SM, IG, SoB, Tech force, PDF, etc only armies. They are all Imperials, use similar units, similar organization, but for "character" you can field just a pure force on one of its "parts".
We did the same for the Eldar, where there are "craftworld" eldar, exodites and dark eldar, but they are all under "eldar".
So I guess demonhunters are not a "Separate independent list", but an extension of, say imperials, but you can field a pure force of it?
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:05 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 08 2004 Jan.,09:56) | | So I guess demonhunters are not a "Separate independent list", but an extension of, say imperials, but you can field a pure force of it? |
Depends on what you want to do with the list.
Currently there is no "Imperial" racial/base army list in Epic in the same wy that there is a base Space Marine list.
So yourt first step would be to determine what the Daemonhunter army was going to be a "race" of. I'd think that it would be an Inquisitor "race" as opposed to a more generic Imperial "race" which might be best left for an SoB/Frater army.
I don't think that the idea of a "pure" force works in EpicA outside of this idea of a base/racial army list. Special rules for the race get determined and then subsequent army lists based on that initial lists are not supposed to have any additional special rules that are not structural in nature (one of the common complaints about fan lists so far).
So if the base list for an army, say Inquisitors, was designed to have units from more than one Imperial branch (say Grey Knights, Imperial Guard and marines) then the army is still going to be a "pure" force in that it still conforms to the structure of the army.
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:01 am |
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Well, I think having the =][= and G/Knights attached to Main Force Armies is the way to do it. ?I really don't know how big a D/Hunter Army or Force could be ? ? They should be smaller "elite"/specialized elements attached to the IG, SMs, etc. ?And the SoBs are "Nuns with Guns", so I could see them working along side the =][= ... there is certainly an historical precedent for it ... 
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:08 am |
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| Quote (Legion 4 @ 08 2004 Jan.,21:01) | | so I could see them working the =][= ... there is certainly an historical precedent for it ... |
Not sure of the historical precedent (which bit of fluff are you referring to?) but the Adeptus Sororitas is overseen by the Adeptus Ministorum which might not want to work hand in hand with the Inquisition :-)
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:22 am |
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Good point, I was referring to "real" history not fluff ... sometimes at my age I get reality and fantasy confused ... ? However, I could see SoB attached to SMs or IG for certain missions, just as I can see the same for the =][= and G/Knights. ? SoB and G/Knight Forces would probably be no bigger than a Company. ?And could easily be attached to other Imperial Forces. ?But bottomline is ... it's all up to G/W to produce a list ... ? 
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:01 am |
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From the comments received, I think I would make "Inquisition" as the base list in this case and determine some basic troops on that basis. Then I'd make three variations of the list based on the ordos (Xenos, Malleus and Hereticus), each with a specialized unit or two.
Example: all Inquisitors would have access to Stormtroopers. Ordo Malleus would have Grey Knights, Ordo Xenos would have Deathwatch while Ordo Hereticus could well have the SoB unless an Ecclesiarchy list is foreseen, in which case the Hereticus needs their own Chamber Militant.
That way the inquisition list would have the stormtroopers at its core and be essentially a fast-moving maneuverable force but lacking the really heavy stuff.
The problem is, I don't think Inquisition ever fights battles the scale of an Epic game. That's more in line with Ecclesiarchy and their Wars of faith. Inquisitors usually work behind the lines of a big battle pursuing their own special agenda linked to the bigger battle in some way.
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Post subject: Epic Catalogue from GW Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:39 am |
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Well, each of the three Ordos would certainly have its own list.
Ordo Malleus: =I=, =I= Stormtroopers and Grey Knights
Ordo Hereticus: =I= and Sisters of Battle
Ordo Xenos:  =I= and Deathwatch, maybe?
Each of the Ordos can take Imperial Guard and Space Marine allies, but no more then, say, 10% of the total army points limit.
So the Sisters of Battle would be a different release to Grey Knights.
Oh, and Warmaster Nice, you can take a look on my Sisters of Battle proxies on groups.yahoo.com/group/epica to have some idea on the... epic scale bumpers.
Not sure of the historical precedent (which bit of fluff are you referring to?) but the Adeptus Sororitas is overseen by the Adeptus Ministorum which might not want to work hand in hand with the Inquisition :-) |
Pixelgeek, thou are therefore strongly advised to read all the relevant fluff again.
Sisters of Battle are Adepta Sororitas, the Adeptus Ministorum have some command over them, but the most recent background shows that Sisters are part of the Ordo Hereticus.
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