Thanks for the reply, I think that it does help to clarify the situation, but I'll elaborate on what I think you mean, so that you can correct me if I've misinterpreted anything:



So, this will be the new forum which has yet to be created? This will be the home for a variety of 6-10mm games I take it? Among these games, there will be a section for Epic.



Okay, that makes sense. I just think that they could do a lot more with the forum software at their disposal, but that's not for discussion here, so I won't get involved in that.



So Epic will also have a place here alongside the rules development section? That seems okay on the face of it, but what will be the difference between Epic discussion on the new forum and Epic discussion on this forum? Surely it doesn't make sense to have three fora (if you include the SG site too) for discussing Epic, or am I missing something, and there will be a difference?

It would seem more logical to have one board for Epic as it stands, this board for Epic as a rules development and fan based rules board, and then SG for well, whatever you and Lex decide it should be used for. BFG and similar specialist games perhaps?

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Not exactly. There was talk about a new forum to start with. However, that would have meant a 'restart' on the boards, starting again from scratch. So, no new boards will be created. We will have the SG boards which are a seperate section and will deal with the Specialist Games, and these boards that will cover all army scale games, and also have an 'Epic Development' section as well. This means that no-one needs to register for anything else, and I have integrated the boards here with the main site, so the login and password for these boards will also log you into the front page and give you access to blogs and so on. The result is - I hope - one login system and boards that people are familiar with and have been built up, with access to the main site with blogs, army scale game discussion, and Epic development all under one roof.



Well, I am always happy to chat about ideas and feedback. Drop me a PM and let me know your ideas. I also know that you have had reasons for being away from these boards for a bit, and I would love to hear your opinions and viewpoint.



As I mentioned above, both army scale discussion (and Epic is an army scale game) and Epic development will all happen here at the same place, just in different sections. SG will continue to cover all of the Specialist Games, and any additions that appear to fit - Gorka, Space Hulk, AI from FW, etc. Its not a perfect system, and potentially Epic discussion could fit into the army scale board, the development board and the SG board. Thats one reason for keeping army scale and Epic development in the same area, so threads can be moved around and referenced easier.



Your scenario above is actually very close to how it will work, except that the first two boards will be the same board with two sections, hopefully making it even easier. Thats the plan, anyway.

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Thank you for clarifying this. Having been away for so long means that I haven't picked up on all the proposed changes that were not, for one reason or another, adopted. I've found the main site now from your Warseer signature, and I'm beginning to get a better understanding of how it's all meant to work. For the record, I think that having three fora would have been too much, and i think that you've made the right decision not to go down that route.



PM on its way shortly with my thoughts on this, and a bit more detail about my absence .



There will always be some overlap, I agree, and that's where moderator discretion is going to come in (more on that in my PM). This is a lot clearer to me now, and I'm reassured about how this is going to work, so I look forward to seeing how the board gets restructured.

Thanks for taking the time to explain everything to me .

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So long as it is crystal clear for any new players the difference between EA (rules as written by GW) and Net EA (rules as further developed by the Epic community).

Hopefully with the other changes talked of in the NetERC thread it will be simple enough for any new player to get up to speed with Net EA.

Thanks

James

There are still a few relatively minor changes to make. Also, some sections will be expanded in preparation for growing some additional boards.

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I broadly like the changes, but I think that there's still some confusion regarding where to put army lists and tactics.

The race specific boards are now development boards, so surely it becomes counter intuitive to post army lists and tactics associated with those lists there? I still think that it's preferable to have such threads in their race specific boards than in the general strategies and tactics board, which, as I mentioned via PM could actually be scrapped altogether in my opinion.

Wouldn't it, therefore, make sense to have one board used for all NetEA development discussion, keep the army specific boards for army list and tactical discussion, and scrap the general strategy and tactics board?

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Thanks for your comments. I will always remember a lecturer of mine saying that there are two ways to build a university. You can either put all the buildings up, and try to work out where people will want to go, what buildings they will need to travel between, and then build the pathways and roads to allow them to.... Or, you could put up the buildings and watch. In a couple of weeks, the areas that are commonly used by everyone will be clear, and you just put the paths there.

I think that there is - by necessity - going to be some overlap. Any solution was going to be a compromise, and while we have one board for both games and development discussion, and a single login for the entire site, the trade off will be that some posts and threads could go in two places sometimes. My initial reaction to this is to watch how people use the sections here. I suspect that it will actually be less of an issue. For example, I have noticed that the majority of posts and visits are in the development section. This should probably not be a surprise, as it was always core to the site. Also, I do think that the two areas will be for different things. Sure, I (and the moderators) will need to make sure that this distinction is clear, but basically any game tactics and discussion should go in the main EA section, while highlights and discussion to raise specific points can be reposted or linked in the army boards. So, something like 'here is a game I played using Tau' would be in the main section, while 'I think that Broadsides should be infantry not light vehicles because of this game experience' should be in the Tauu section with a quote or link.

I am also hesitant to make too many big changes too quickly. Personally, I much prefer the current organisation, and feel that we are almost there for the structure now, but I want to see how things pan out before making many more big changes (aside from pruning those boards that do not deal with army scale games, shortly).

We could scrap the tactics and strategy board, but I would like to see how much use and traffic it gets, first.

Thanks.

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Thanks for the detailed explanation CS. The university analogy was also rather apt .

I can see where the distinction will fall for a number of threads. I think that the grey area will be army list discussion and army specific tactics. I agree, however, that it's probably better to wait to see how things develop before making further changes.

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Several people have PMed me looking for the EpicUK Tyranid thread - which seems to have, oddly, been moved to the general web news area. Would tournaments or Epic Armageddon not be more appropriate?

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Yes, I moved this thread. Its not a tournament announcement, and is not a direct relation to the NetEA Tyranid list. It is a list that has been made available on another web site, and so I thought that this would be a more appropriate place.

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I would definitely expect the EpicUK Tyranid list to be in the Epic Armageddon section. General Web News to me might be stuff not really relevant to Epic (e.g. Dreadfleet pre-order, stuff about the GW website).

There being only one set of race-specific lists (for a very good reason and I would definitely not want two sets), I can see why people would also expect the EpicUK nids to be in the "Tyranid section". I think these race-specific boards have a fair number of threads that are nothing to do with developing the lists (questions, models, tactics etc) so people are probably confused, but maybe making the descriptions more "forceful" and, more importantly, moving all the existing threads of that nature out of them would help there.

Failing that, reversing the system (one forum for list development, and separate race-specific sections for army-specific discussion) might actually be more logical. For one, people contributing to list development will be more aware of where things need to be posted. Even if this is where most activity/posts are, it's certainly a minority of Epic players who are likely to contribute. What do access (rather than posting) stats look like for the different boards?

Another thing I think would help to make things look less stagnant would be to prune all the stickies. The Epic Armageddon section has nine which is huge compared to all the other forums I frequent, and lots of these are probably only on the same level of importance as plenty of other threads that are not stickies. Better to have fewer IMO.

Anyway it's great to see things moving in the right direction!

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Thanks for your comments.

I have had a couple of comments regarding the EpicUK thread. Perhaps it would be better located in the NetEA Tyranids section. I initially decided against putting it there as it could potentially lead to confusion, being another Tyranid list that wasnt NetEA, in a NetEA Tyranid section. But, if this is the most logical place that people look for it, then I guess that its that place that it should be, as it would get found more often there (concreting over the dirt paths where people have been walking). I wont move the current thread, as there has been enough jumping around with it already, but I will note this for the future.

The stickies is a good point. I had this on my list of things to get around to, but it was left idle. I will get to this shortly.

Thanks.

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Honestly, I would think announcements of EUK stuff make the most sense in the general Epic forum. If people want to discuss how the NetEA lists should relate to and react to the EUK ones, that would seem to be the sort of thing that should go in development fora.

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If you are considering making the race-specific boards more general then (i.e. concreting over the paths people are already using), maybe it is better to have the race-specific sections more general after all then? e.g. like this:

Epic Armageddon
- EA Tactics and General Discussion
- EA Rules Questions
- EA Battle Reports
- EA Imperial Guard
- EA Eldar
- ...etc

NetEA Development
- NetEA Organisation and Rules Development
- NetEA Army List Development

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