1500 with weapons, so 1300-1400 plus weapons, then?

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That's where I'd start testing, yes. Remember that the Eldar Titan Clan list already has apparent balance problems.

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Well it all depends on whether AoC even likes the thing. If I actually build this (the model), It's gonna be a reason to start another army I probably can't afford. *sigh* Oh well.

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According to the fluff text about the Phantom Titan from FW there is no bigger Eldar Titan than the Phantom.

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I trust Black Library books more than I trust FW, when it comes to fluff...

And is there mention of bigger titans in the black library books?

No, and don’t get me wrong, I don’t really believe in trans-Phantom titans either. I just think Forgeworld is somewhat loose about following established background information. The way they nixed the triplets thing is a red flag.

btw, did you get my PM from 4/21?

No, and there never has been in any 40k or Epic background as far as I know.

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Um, I think that was a knock, not an endorsement of BL...

DC9 is only slightly more massive than a Warlord. There's no technical reason the Eldar couldn't produce a larger Titan than a Phantom. Now the situation we have here is that FW has said that the Phantom is the largest Eldar Titan. It's also at the limit of their casting technology, I'd suspect.

Has GW said the same? I don't know, and would be interested in finding out. Right now I think that adding a supplemental model, just as the ATML and OGBM lists have, would not hurt the ETC. The fact there's a fairly easy proxy doesn't hurt either. However, it's for AoC to decide. I'll keep fiddling with this thing regardless, because I think it'll be a cool piece, even if it ends up a Phantom.

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The only fluff reference we have says nothing bigger than a Phantom exists. Therefore, nothing bigger than a Phantom should be made if we want to stick to the 40k universe.

That's far from a definitive statement.

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It's the only statement we have. I can't see anything bigger getting any acceptance with those who like to stick to established background.

That's what it comes down to.

Something like the Tyranid Hydraphant which has a (renamed) official model is on the border of acceptability (doesn't exist in 40k and has a size limit statement on the smaller Hierophant) and that's only upto Reaver size. A 40k carnifex used in epic is a definite no go.

There is also the issue of balance. The scaling of the large titans that are essentially an army in their own right just doesn't work. You want these super-titans to be special but compromises have to be made to make them useable. The Imperator has compromises to make it useable in a standard list but it isn't the Imperator of old that people seem to want while the Mega-Gargant is a collectors by permission item and doesn't make it into the main OGBM list as it is unusable in its current form without prior warning.

I think it's rather narrow minded to say that the fact the Imperium doesn't know about something is enough evidence to say that it doesn't exist.

I agree on the balance problems, and would like to think that the stats I've proposed are nothing too overpowered. I also think that this should be supplemental as in the OGBM list if it is accepted. However, if general opinion is against it, I'm perfectly willing to let sleeping dogs lie, and simply make the model as a showpiece.

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I think it's rather narrow minded to say that the fact the Imperium doesn't know about something is enough evidence to say that it doesn't exist.

I agree on the balance problems, and would like to think that the stats I've proposed are nothing too overpowered. I also think that this should be supplemental as in the OGBM list if it is accepted. However, if general opinion is against it, I'm perfectly willing to let sleeping dogs lie, and simply make the model as a showpiece.

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