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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:46 pm 
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thoughts on the pricing of the Assault upgrade? Would it be OK at +50?

Ask again later; It's seen little extensive testing at this time to my knowlege.

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 Post subject: Re: F is for Focus - Apocrypha of Skaros 1.0f
PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:49 pm 
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Very magic eight ball of you. ;)

I'll check in in a while.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:58 pm 
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It might work, but I just…loathe the Iron Hands. It’s completely irrational.

Competely rational thought: You may well have more success getting lists widely adopted if you use Chapters/stuff that already exists in the background, rather than making up your own Chapters.


Or picking a name that doesn't sound like it comes from Doctor Who.


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 Post subject: Re: F is for Focus - Apocrypha of Skaros 1.0f
PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:37 pm 
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The Apocrypha of Skaros has been the oldest version of the codex since C:UM came out. I can't think of another title that reflects the list quite as well.

Insignium Astartes mentions the Gant Manuscript and the Liber Arcanum of Grand Marshal Tolof, but I think those are worse, not better...

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I mean, if you've got some alternatives, I'm happy to hear them. But I can't think of an appropriate official Chapter, nor can I think of a better name that suggests "alternate Codex".

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The title 'Apocrypha' of Skaros implies that it's not official – since it means 'hidden away', or 'of questionable authenticity'.

I see what you're doing with the name, and it does sound kinda fun, but I agree that it's not exactly punchy and eye-catching. It sounds like a really obscure sub-group.

'Codex Astartes' is a bit more familiar, but keeps the atmosphere. 'Index Astartes' would work, if you want to move away from the official-sounding name.

I like the idea that it's just a general alternative, so perhaps something less flowery, such as 'Space Marines: Ground Assault', and keep the Apocrypha of Skaro* as a subtitle?

You could also tie it into an era: perhaps the Horus Heresy (lots of ground war, but covers a lot of options) or something.

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I just love the "Apocrypha of Skaros" name. Sounds great, and after all the official stuff is the codex, and the codex is the official list. No issues there.


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The title 'Apocrypha' of Skaros implies that it's not official – since it means 'hidden away', or 'of questionable authenticity'.

I see what you're doing with the name, and it does sound kinda fun, but I agree that it's not exactly punchy and eye-catching. It sounds like a really obscure sub-group.


...Honestly, right up to this point, I thought you were arguing for the name. :P

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'Codex Astartes' is a bit more familiar, but keeps the atmosphere. 'Index Astartes' would work, if you want to move away from the official-sounding name.


Index Astartes has other connotations I don't want to get into. A proper Index Astartes list (to my mind) would have a variety of optional upgrades to let you represent particular doctrinal quirks or alternate preferences. I'm kind of tempted to try it some time, actually.

Point is - when I hear Index Astartes, I think something very different.

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I like the idea that it's just a general alternative, so perhaps something less flowery, such as 'Space Marines: Ground Assault', and keep the Apocrypha of Skaro* as a subtitle?


Yeah, but then I'm violating previous list naming standards and being all dull about it. Where's the fun in that?

At the moment, if I didn't stick with the Apocrypha I'd probably go with Steel Dogs, since it does sound vaguely like a ground-focused list.

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You could also tie it into an era: perhaps the Horus Heresy (lots of ground war, but covers a lot of options) or something.


I have a dream of a Horus Heresy list, which some day I must complete. For then I can launch the best Epic recruitment tool ever - re-enactments of the Horus Heresy!

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Glad you like it. :) I kind of do, too.

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How about "Codex Astartes Space Marines: Ground Attack Doctrine"?

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While I would deeply enjoy pronouncing the acronym, it's rather awkward and unwieldly.

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Why not have them as a SM force that is garrisonned to protect a vital forgeworld - which explains why they don't have as much titan+air as normal and more access to vehicles. Then just pick a chapter with no contradictory background.

IMO the best thing about the current name is that it makes the Scions of Iron no longer the clearcut choice as worst list name ;D

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While I would deeply enjoy pronouncing the acronym, it's rather awkward and unwieldly.

"Iron Hands" isn't awkward or unwieldy.

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Iron Hands might also help explain why they have arcane tech. that other Chapters don't have access to... :D

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IMO the best thing about the current name is that it makes the Scions of Iron no longer the clearcut choice as worst list name ;D

Hah.
Not to forget, that Aurora Chapter is supposed to be the Marine Chapter with the most tanks, too. heh.

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A) I'm convinced that 'normal' is not what should be normal. Space Marines should not be dependent on their allies to fight enemy armies. I'll admit that the Thunderhawk thing needs explanation, but the limited allies doesn't.

B) They'd have more Titans, not less in that scenario.

C) I'm taking the name from ancient background of pure and noble lineage. What's Hena's excuse? :)

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"Iron Hands" isn't awkward or unwieldy.


No, but the Iron Hands are.

Oh snap!

More seriously...no. Never the Iron Hands. Not even if you gave me candy.

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Not to forget, that Aurora Chapter is supposed to be the Marine Chapter with the most tanks, too. heh.


To be fair to Hena, that fluff antedates the Scions.

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I have a dream of a Horus Heresy list, which some day I must complete. For then I can launch the best Epic recruitment tool ever - re-enactments of the Horus Heresy!


Hey that would be great! That sounds like a game I could get into and play for 20+ years......

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 Post subject: Re: F is for Focus - Apocrypha of Skaros 1.0f
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