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Epic rules, document design and you

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:29 pm 
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Ugh. Hena, I don't care if it's standard paper or not. (insert Joe vs. the Volcano quote) I'm not arguing that with you. Epic Raiders and Raider 2.0 are Standard US Letter. Epic: Armageddon and Epic: Swordwind were some size smaller than that. A4 is bigger than all three supplements. If a smaller size was good enough for GW, it is good enough for me.

You can make up your supplements in any size you want. It doesn't matter to me. But don't expect me to print it if its A4 size or larger. It's a pain in the rear to pack properly and I don't see you jumping on a plane from Finland to run to the Post Office for me. ;) Seriously though. I put very few stipulations* on printing (ask E&C) and I think making these US Letter or smaller is an itty bitty request that anyone needing my services can handle.

* In case anyone is wondering what I need from a supplement before it goes to print, they are based on a combination of needs from GW and me. Here they are:
-No mixed IP (i.e. pictures of GW models next to DRM models)
-Make it available on the net for free (pdf downloads)
-Include GW's no challenge to IP disclaimer
-Boldly marked as unofficial
-Adhere broadly to GW's IP guidelines in terms of the fiction (no Space Marines acting like tree hugging Eldar, etc.)
-Include a small symbol on the backcover for my non-profit purposes
-Try to print close in size to the existing supplements


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 Post subject: Re: Epic rules, document design and you
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:32 pm 
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Moscovian wrote:
Sometimes the layout won't work in any way unless you really abuse the margins, font size, or both.


If you are doing things properly this should be very very rare. If you are having to push things to the point of abuse (like having 4mm or less gutter on 11pt justified text to fit it on the page, or making tiny margins) then you are probably doing things wrongly and need to rethink the whole layout anyway, rather than just fudging it in till it all fits. Design from the start with your most awkward entries in mind. Summary reference sheets might be an exception, but outside of that i can't see many excuses within epic.

But yep, those were just guidelines, not really even that in most places, just pointers in what i see as the rite direction :) seems to have got some discussion going anyway which is awesome.

Don't mind about A4 vs letter myself, whatever is best to get printed sounds like a good thing for supplements. For non supplement stuff (eg 100% home printed) A4 would seem more sensible.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:25 pm 
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Aye, whilst I might prefer A4 size due to familiarity, greater canvas space, etc, if the price of getting a print run done is to make it in Letter format, then Epic: Titan Disco is going to be Letter format!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:03 pm 
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Okay, so I went to the Post Office and was able to find a package that not only fit A4 but did so at a great rate. Now that I've beat Hena over the head, I'm going to completely reverse my position and say that you may print in A4 size. HEEE HEEE!! With that said, I would appreciate it if the size of the supplements we create fall somewhere between Armageddon and Siege. :)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:06 pm 
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Moscovian wrote:
I would appreciate it if the size of the supplements we create fall somewhere between Armageddon and Siege. :)


If things are going to get printed up, and look good on a bookshelf, I would prefer consistency rather than what may be International standard. Just make them all the same as Raiders (as that is now printed) and we should all be 'happy as larry'. If people are not happy with that, they can always just use the PDF and print it for themselves.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:09 pm 
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* In case anyone is wondering what I need from a supplement before it goes to print, they are based on a combination of needs from GW and me. Here they are:
-No mixed IP (i.e. pictures of GW models next to DRM models)


Mosc. Can you please expand the meaning on this one? ie:

- Can I have DRM models by themselves and not mixed with GW minis on a particular datafax?
- Can I have a page that shows 3 datafaxes - 2 with GW models and the third datafax with a DRM model
- What if the datafax on one page had DRM models and another page had only GW models?

Just trying to get an idea of this restriction

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:12 pm 
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The restriction is simple; if there is any GW IP in the suppliment at all there can not be any other company's IP in the suppliment at all. It's one of GW's key requirements for using their IP.

So no DRM models at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:13 pm 
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No, none at all.

Scratchbuilds are okay, but models from other companies / IPs contravene GW's IP rules.

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No, none at all.
Scratchbuilds are okay, but models from other companies / IPs contravene GW's IP rules.


Well, that just means I am going to have to find some skill in scratch building some Chaos Squat stuff for the future

*Shakes head in concern over lack of skill at present time with such an endeavour*

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:40 am 
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Moscovian wrote:
Okay, so I went to the Post Office and was able to find a package that not only fit A4 but did so at a great rate. Now that I've beat Hena over the head, I'm going to completely reverse my position and say that you may print in A4 size. HEEE HEEE!! With that said, I would appreciate it if the size of the supplements we create fall somewhere between Armageddon and Siege. :)

I see....Well for the sake of driving me crazy can we PLEASE just pick a size and mandate it for all Fan Supplement that are planed for a print run?? Please!! If we pick A4 than Raider will drive me crazy with the rest, but if we pick US Letter than Siege will bug me. But at least all the following (hopefully many) will be the same.

Even tho A4 is standard around world I vote for US Letter for the following reasons:

1. Moscovian can ship easily just in case his new found source of shipping boxes goes OOP.
2. Since the Official Supplements are smaller than US Letter than I think A4 Fan ones would look worse together with them than US Letter would.
3. I'm a Yank pushing my agenda on the world!! Muahaha! .....ok j/k on that one. :D ;D ::)

Either way let's just agree on one kinda...PLEASE In The Name Of The Holy God-Emperor Of Mankind!!!

Also which ones are cheaper to print or does it matter that much??


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Epic: Titan Disco

Is a working Title or is this the final name?? ::) :D

Either way I like!!! =D


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:52 am 
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I'll be going with Letter for Epic:Nemesis, so add another one to the list. I'm in the "looks better at the same size" camp.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:42 am 
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I'm going to wait until I have a copy of Siege in my hands to see which I prefer I guess.

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I just received Siege and I have to say that I prefer the size of Raiders, because it's more in line with the E:A rulebook and Swordwind. Siege is very appealing visually, but the larger size does annoy me a little.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:20 pm 
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Moscovian as head of printing services can pick whatever size works for the supplements. I don't think I would be alone though in saying that printing Letter on A4 (and I assume vice versa) is annoying.


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