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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:53 pm 
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Quote: (Erik M @ Dec. 01 2009, 15:42 )

No blisters allowed for retailers (unless signing up for communist like rights for GW to go in, physically, and look at the shop's ledgers etc).
Only plastic sets for retailers and even there key products (like the hive city tile for Planetary Empires) only available through GW's own post order.
Where'd you hear this?

Local shop, Neal. It used to be "special" (or whatever they're called).
The new "deal" to be had was a bit to not favourable (free insight in ledgers just a part of it).

And GW has cut their inventory by just that, the blisters. From 3'000(?) products to about 900, all boxes and mainly plastic. And no Planetary Empires' Hive City Tile was death to stocking Planetary Empires.

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(Said Karegak safe in the knowledge that all his epic mini needs are fulfilled... at the moment at least).
Well off course, you're not playing, are you? :whistle:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:49 am 
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This cease and desist business have had all forum and community centres for miniature wargaming clam up.
Which is disastrous for both the community and democracy.
I've quite early noticed and flagged that the internet is detrimental to democracy (with arbitrary forum owners) and it is even more so when these go frightened by "big business".

I guess everyone should walk over to Chilling Effects and learn more about what's "ok" and what is NOT.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:57 am 
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Quote: (Erik M @ Jan. 03 2010, 07:49 )

This cease and desist business have had all forum and community centres for miniature wargaming clam up.
Which is disastrous for both the community and democracy.
I've quite early noticed and flagged that the internet is detrimental to democracy (with arbitrary forum owners) and it is even more so when these go frightened by "big business".

I guess everyone should walk over to Chilling Effects and learn more about what's "ok" and what is NOT.

Thats a bit melodramatic - a couple of websites have changed their names or been forced to alter what they are doing.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:03 am 
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No it's not. The reaction by other community owners has been to clam up and get afraid. I don't want to point fingers, but it's not one.
And what you describe is bad enough. Especially as it's described as you just did.




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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:26 pm 
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Ah, it's not melodramatic.

Our own Cybershadow kill alternative information and Bill over at TMP has locked me (that's a permanent ban) over there for pointing towards where one might find the BB6 rules now that GW slashed them and cut out the contributors (esp the main one, Tom Anders).
The thing is, they where out already. Hard to put them back in the box then. And they where out with GW's permission...

Sad, really sad.

I love this game, I'm afraid this is my last post here. 'Cause if I hang around, then I condone with GW's actions. As I then follow CS's lead in "prudent behaviour".

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:48 am 
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Living Rulebook

Since its release, the third edition of Blood Bowl has experienced many changes, largely driven by the large and vociferous player base. These changes have been combined into the current version of the rules, known as the Living Rulebook. The majority of Blood Bowl is now played by these rules, though variants do exist due to house rules or the transition to online play.

The Living Rulebook, currently in its fifth edition, is available from the official Blood Bowl site. Originally there were plans to release a printed version for Blood Bowl's 20th anniversary, but this has since been cancelled.[6] Work on this fifth edition, known as LRB 5.0, began in March 2004. The final product, based on roughly two years of player testing, was released on August 1, 2006.


Well, if the last note is for 2006 and LRB5 it's not that strange. Since then both 5.5 and 6.0 has been made. Remember, the wikipedia isn't built upon actual facts. It's built up on the community sense of what has been...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:21 am 
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Quote: (Erik M @ Jan. 05 2010, 06:26 )

I love this game, I'm afraid this is my last post here. 'Cause if I hang around, then I condone with GW's actions.

Dude

Better you leave now than stay around and wait for it to happen again

It's GW dude. They do this every 3-5 years.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:28 am 
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Quote: (Erik M @ Jan. 05 2010, 15:48 )

Well, if the last note is for 2006 and LRB5 it's not that strange. Since then both 5.5 and 6.0 has been made. Remember, the wikipedia isn't built upon actual facts. It's built up on the community sense of what has been...

There was no 5.5 (really)

There was 5.0 with 2008 additions.

I have had all the rulebooks since 4.0 and have run leagues with 4.0, 5.0, and 5.0+. 6.0 is the best thing to happen to Bloodbowl regardless of what GW has done. The community will back Galak, even if GW does not. The problem is that Galak had a business that GW obviously see as competition. This can be seen as a bonus as GW is scared of someone as small as Impact miniatures. Yet without GW (and they will not sell the rights), a game such as Bloodbowl would just die as the older players would eventually get too old for the game and there would be no younger players to keep the game going.

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Our own Cybershadow kill alternative information and Bill over at TMP has locked me (that's a permanent ban) over there for pointing towards where one might find the BB6 rules now that GW slashed them and cut out the contributors (esp the main one, Tom Anders).


This is the community protecting Tom Anders from reckless cowboys. I was in line with your actions till Tom came forward and asked for this to stop as he was in feaqr of legal action from GW. If it silences one cowboy so a guy gets to keep a house over his and his family's head, then so be it.

It's not always about Erik you know....    :peace:




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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:24 am 
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Quote: (Erik M @ Jan. 04 2010, 21:26 )

Ah, it's not melodramatic.

Our own Cybershadow kill alternative information and Bill over at TMP has locked me (that's a permanent ban) over there for pointing towards where one might find the BB6 rules now that GW slashed them and cut out the contributors (esp the main one, Tom Anders).
The thing is, they where out already. Hard to put them back in the box then. And they where out with GW's permission...

Sad, really sad.

I love this game, I'm afraid this is my last post here. 'Cause if I hang around, then I condone with GW's actions. As I then follow CS's lead in "prudent behaviour".

Undoubtably, C&D letters to various web sites asking/making them remove content at the threat of legal action will stop web sites posting information which could lead to said C&D letter arriving. I dont think that this is in quesiton at all.

Yes, the current round of letters have shaken web sites and made them think twice about information posted and hosted. However, this happens on a semi-regular basis, and really is just good practise (in many cases, although not all!) for sites to do. The regulations are there, and this is a reminder most commonly, rather than a tightening or change in policy.

The links that you refer to on both the SG boards and here were removed due to the authors request that they not be widely shared. As he is a SG supporter, we are on the same side. The same decision would have been made with or without the C&D flood of recent times.

This is going to happen. I wont apologise for it. If I need to adhere to GW policy where I see it as reasonable, to keep this site going and alive, then that is what I will do. If GW dont want someone else posting copies of rules that they own, and will most likely go after a key developer who is critical in keeping the game going, then I am not going to help them in their witchhunt. But, while your one link was removed, links and hosting remains for Raiders, all EA force lists and other documents that I currently feel we are entitled to make available.

Now, if I was told to remove all Epic rules from the site, then that would be something that I would have to think very hard about.

In the end, we all make a decision as to how much we follow GW policy and put up with them before we walk away. I cant tell you that this is 'reasonable' and that you should stay with them. No hard feelings.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:04 am 
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"They came and took all the B~, and I did nothing as I'm not a B~. Then they came and took all the N~, and I did nothing as I'm not a N~. They then came and took all the W~, and I did nothing as I'm not a W~."

"Now they come to take the E~, which I am. And none is coming to help me, 'cause all the B~, N~ and W~ are all gone."

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:12 am 
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Well, after years of play-testing and heated discussion, here is the latest edition of Blood Bowl. Our understanding is that this edition will be left unchanged for sever al years to come. The main focus of this edition of the game is that league teams can be played in a Perpetual Blood Bowl
League format (PBBL) without needing to reset the league for new members. Games Workshop has been glad to provide the LRB free of charge to download from their website and this will continue for the foreseeable future. For those of you who are familiar with version 5.0 of the rules, all changes and typographical corrections from version 5.0 have been highlighted in red so they are easy to spot. I'd like to extend many thanks to all the play-testers for their work and contributions over the last four years, especially to BBRC, who completed this project when I needed to attend to other projects.
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Next on my thank- you list are the members of the Blood Bowl Rules
Committee (BBRC). This small group of dedicated coaches having taken
on the onerous responsibility of keeping this hare-brained game designer
on the straight and narrow, making sure that my more scatty ideas don’t
see print while at the same time providing sage advice on the ideas that
are worthwhile and making sure they work well. I simply couldn’t have
done it without them.
Finally, I must single out one man without whom the PBBL edition
rulebook simply would not have been finished. This man is the
irrepressible Tom Anders (aka GalakStarscraper).
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But that’s quite enough gushing. Wipe that tear from your eye, strap on your extra-sharp set of spikes, and get out on that pitch and win!
Jervis Johnson
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:09 pm 
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Quote: (Erik M @ Jan. 05 2010, 10:04 )

"They came and took all the B~, and I did nothing as I'm not a B~. Then they came and took all the N~, and I did nothing as I'm not a N~. They then came and took all the W~, and I did nothing as I'm not a W~."

"Now they come to take the E~, which I am. And none is coming to help me, 'cause all the B~, N~ and W~ are all gone."

I stand corrected your original post isn't melodramatic compared to that, GW has, as CS has said, made a periodical protection of its IP - rightly or wrongly.

Its not stopping free speech or sending out death squads - try and get whats happening in context - its toy soldiers.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:24 pm 
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Even if a bunch of fans developed the rules, it's still owned by GW.  That was an explicit term of use for all the boards hosting fan-based SG development.  It's also an explicit term for anything submitted to GW for inclusion in any of their games.

You can't post someone else's copyrighted material without their permission.  The uses GW allows are specified on their downloads pages and you have to agree to them before downloading the products.

Just because GW allows free access does not mean they don't own it.  It's no different than if you allow a friend to borrow your car.  You still own the car.  The friend can't just take possession and use it however they want.  If they do that's theft and you can enforce your ownership rights.

Similarly, distribution in a fashion without the owner's permission does not make the property public domain.  Sticking with the car metaphor, if someone steals your car and then gives it to yet another person, it's still your car.  Even a series of free downloads and out-of-term distributions does not make it public domain.  It takes willful disregard, basically the owner saying "I don't care, do what you want," to have the property pass to public domain.




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