Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ Oct. 15 2009, 23:18 )
Compare with Orks. What's a better plane, remembering you activate on a 2+ and they on a 1+ and they have 30cm AT4+.
I have been comparing the different planes in the various forces.
What has been taken into account are the number of shots, AA, range, initiative, Strategy Rating, and costs.
I would have to say that the Black Legion changes are pretty spot on with the Hellblades. Observations are that:
1. They are the only fighter-plane in the game (2008 book) to have nothing above 15cm in range.
2. Their AA is FA only which only makes them good for Interceptors against other planes as well. They cannot defend themselves.
3. They have the same armour and shots as all other groups of planes
4. Their Initiative is in line with all other armies
5. Strategy rating is only better that IG and Orks and these two forces have 360 degree AA
6. All other armies have access to Flak
This all leads me to believe that
they are costed correctly. With the weakness in the range, it also leads me to believe that it is a lack of air defence by opponents that will mark these aircraft as under-priced. If anything, I would have more concerns over the Ork fighter-bombers than any other aircraft after my reviews - although they only have half the AA protection (it is 360 degree however).
I cannot help but think that opponents have not prepared for aircraft and that is why they have such an impact. They still form part of the 1/3 ally allotment so take away from War Engines as well.
Is there anyone out there that can provide their own factual evidence as to these being priced incorrectly? I am more interested in the costing of these rather than discussions about broken or too high costings of another's army's navy, so please bear this in mind with keeping any discussion on track.
The only other reason I can see for the cost increase is for a fluff reason, yet even this is 'wanky' in relation to other lists, as Thunderbolts do not change costs between lists of IG and Marines, so why should these?
I'd take them any day over thunderbolts 
My vision is for them to be a Blitzkreig force rather than 'doom' marching across a battlefield. Their numbers and ability to remain a coordinated force are limited time-wise. Due to this they have to hit fast and hard. This means Dreadclaws and teleports for the most parts. As I am tied into the fluff of old and new, I also want to make the support options viable for the list. My fear is that the list will purely be used as a drop force.
