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 Post subject: [Supplement] Epic: Renegades
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:38 pm 
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Salamanders versus Red Corsairs? I'll suggest a third one when I can take a look at the map :)


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:48 pm 
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 Post subject: [Supplement] Epic: Renegades
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:10 pm 
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Huh, actually Baal is rather close to the Maelstrom as well *scratches chin*

Though I'd prefer to leave Blood Angels/Flesh Tearers for a jungle themed supplement ;)


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:16 pm 
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Wow. This is a lot of responses!  :D
I will answer all of them tomorrow because unfortunately today i'm ocupied with other things.

But one thing. I intend to include fortifications for the two armies (loyalists and traitors) native to the planet. But the player could easily left them out (or only use them for scenarios inthe file/book). The two armies won't have acsess to Titans and Aircrafts either but they will be in the armylists if someone wants to use them without using the setting.

Feel free to continue to post in my absence :)




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 Post subject: [Supplement] Epic: Renegades
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:57 pm 
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i'm not that familiar with the 40k background as most of the people on here, but seems to me even if BL doesn't use some of the suggestions, there are enough for an additional supplement. preferably with some of the lists that are close to being done.
could even come out just after BL's and called renegades 2.
must admit though i kind of agree with changing the name, since GW already used it.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:59 pm 
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What about "EPIC: Maelstrom"?

That would be a new name, sounds cool, and may aptly describe the situation within!  *laugh*




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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:40 pm 
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Quote: (Chroma @ Sep. 17 2009, 17:59 )

What about "EPIC: Maelstrom"?

That would be a new name, sounds cool, and may aptly describe the situation within!  *laugh*

WIN!!!  :cool:  :laugh:

Seriously, I think it's a great idea.  Well done, Chroma  :D


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I like Epic: Maelstrom. I like it a lot.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:14 pm 
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Quote: (vytzka @ Sep. 17 2009, 15:09 )

I like Epic: Maelstrom. I like it a lot.

Me too.

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Quote: (firestorm40k @ Sep. 17 2009, 18:40 )

Seriously, I think it's a great idea.  Well done, Chroma  :D

*bow*  Thanks!  Now we just have to hear what BlackLegion thinks of it!  *laugh*

Anyone want me to name their kids or pets or anything?   :agree:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:22 am 
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Quote: (Chroma @ Sep. 18 2009, 00:48 )

Anyone want me to name their kids or pets or anything?   :agree:

Sorry, mate, I have enough Final Fantasy characters to choose from :p


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 Post subject: [Supplement] Epic: Renegades
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:33 pm 
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@Moscovian:
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1. How much artwork can you glean from various sources to flush out the supplement?  

As i wish to use only non-GW artwork currently: None. Soif anyone with skill wants to contribute i will hear them.

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2. Will you have multiple painted armies of each type to photograph for datafaxes and other shots?

I guess i will paint up most of the units myselfe but if others have already painted ones and want to help then this will behelpful too.

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3. Who will be assisting you?

Well it seems several peaople already asked for helping me in this thread.

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4. Will you be putting together modeling sections for people interested in creating the armies?

If there will beunits not easily available from GW i will do so.

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5. Will you be able to create a PDF and rebel army that differentiates itself from the other lists significantly enough?

The Rebels will be a 1:1 copy of the Vraksian Renegade Militia (so people who want to play Vraksians only have to switch the list's name :p ), the PDF is more tricky but i guess i can bring an original spin to them.

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6. Would this be a full blown supplement or would it be better suited as a mini-supplement that appears in a larger tome.  There appears to be plenty of ideas that fall into this category.  IMO Epic: Siege is the lower limit of what I think is the appropriate size for a supplement.

At this stage i seriously toying with the idea to make it a full blown supplement as Epic: Raiders and Epic: Siege.

@E&C and firestorm40k:
Interesting ideas. I wanted to use Vraks because we don't comeup with yet another new IG army out of thin air.
As i stated previously things like Navy and Titans will be included in the Grant Tournament Armylists but in a Designers Notebox it will be stated that historically the armies wouldn't have acsess to Aircrafts or Titans and that Fortifications (included with points costs in an Appendix) shouldn't be used for Tournaments by default.

The PDF army would be playable as non-siege (but fortifications would be used for certain scenarios and would be able with points cost in an appendix) thame for the Rebels. PDF and Rebels would be distinct because teh Rebels won't use some of themore special/elire gear of the PDF. The PDF will be superb equipped but as an true PDF force which hadn't seen real fighting for decades they will be hard pressed.

Acompanying the Red Corsairs with Traitor Guard is a cool idea but would require to invend yet another armylist. I would rather see the Red Corsairs act on their own (with several different warbands from other Renegade Chapters, Titans and aircrats)and then ally with the Rebels.

Depending if Chaos should win or not i could include liberation forces. This could be:
Salamanders (because the armylist is learly finished)
Dark Angels (which fits the War in Heaven theme but need a bit more work)
perhabs to acompany the Space Marines a ImperialGuard list whichis renowned to act in harsh conditions.
Death Korps of Krieg comes to mind (so this list hasn't to be included because it is already included in Epic: Siege).
Other options could be Elysian Drop Troops, Harakoni Warhawks, etc. Catachans wouldn't be used because i can't imagine them in all enclosing environmental suits which are needed to survive on theplanet  :laugh:

As for need of yet another variant of IG and SM well...currently we have no choice. Tyranids, Tau and Necrons wich would be truly new races aren't in such a stage as to be ready enought to be include in an official (fan)supplement.
Salamanders are years in the making and there are really only minor quirks to adjust (iirc only the final stats for certain Land Raider variants).

And Epic: Badab War supplement would even be more boring. The only list to beused would be the Codex Astartes Space Marine armylist from the rulebook and the fluff is already well known. It would be difficult to include anything new.

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I would like to see the supplement use some already existing lists instead of making new ones. This would hopefully allow some to finish as well.

Me too. Because of this i suggested Salamanders/Dark Angels. Now as i look up the map of the galaxy Baal is near (Blood Angels homeworld) as well as Chogoris (White Scars homeworld) and certainly Nocturne too (Salamanders home world).


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Well Epic: Maelstrom certainly sounds cool but i choosed Epic: Renegades (or Epic: Renegade) because the theme of the supplement ARE renegades. I wanted to focus on the rebellion on the planet itselfe and not on the Red Corsairs and their allies. If i would focus on the Red Corsairs then no rebellion is needed (or would only start with the Red Corsairs arrival) so the rebels wouldn't need an army list of their own. They would be the Traitor Guard accompanying the Red Corsairs. But i'm not entirely against it.

So that leaves:
- Red Corsairs Renegade Chapter Chaos Space Marines
- Heavenly Rebels(aka Vraksian Renegade Militia)/Traitor Guard
- Heavenly Choir Imperial Guard PDF
- Salamanders/DarkAngels/BloodAngels/WhiteScars*
- Death Korps of Krieg*/Elysian Drop Troops

*the ramylist doesn't need to be included in this supplement, because they are already included elsewhere. Would save work and space.

I certainly won't use the Lost and the Damned armylist. To me they look more like an army straight out of the Eye of Terror and would be better served in an Epic: Crusades supplement together with Black Legion and Black Templars (a crusading Space Marine Chapter).

*few*...a long posting :) So with all my reasonings above. What do you think?

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I like it!  Although I think it would be more appropriate for the Black Crusade supplement.  You know, the whole warp storm thing, eye of terror, and so on.  That would be IMO more appropriately named Maelstrom.

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One thing i forgot:

For the story i planned a warp storm to isolate the planet for a few decades. Enough time to stir some uprising in the populace. Then a warp rift opens which can be seen through the planetary rings (the rift is called the Eye of the Snake) which is seen as an omen of the Rainbow Snake and then the rebellion surfaces the first time in full force. It doesn't take long for a fleet of Red Corsairs to come through this warp rift and then it gets very interesting :)

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There's an outside chance that naming it Epic:Renegades might catch GW's eye for possible copyright infringement, since they've already used that name for the SM2 supplement.

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