Well Clausewitz and I took a break from the Tau and gave the AMTL and Orks a run out.

Batrep can be seen here

Enjoy.

Any conclusions to draw from the game?

Two Battle Titans and an Emperor Titan is certainly a lot to face!

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The worry was how easy it was for the TL list to deny objectives.

The Emperor Titan can deny BTS, TSNP and DTF by moving between your two placed T&H objectives. (Unless your opponent can deal with the Emperor and thats not so easy)

Leaving 2 Reavers and the Warhound to hold my blitz and I couldn't loose on turn 3, giving an extra turn of shooting which helps TL win on turn 4.

Obviously the CC assault I did was majorly daft and I'd have never done that in a competative game (so the Orks wouldn't have got DTF).

If I had placed my T&H objectives in from of my blitz instead of the Orks then I would have had my Emperors eight AA attacks covering the rest of my army, which would have made things even worse for the orks.  I could also then have kept my titans all within support range of each other early on (which would have made the Landa even less usefull).

Overall it was a fun game because Mephiston played his Orks in good Orky spirit and they got some luck to keep the game interesting.  But the concept of Emperor objective denial is a concern.

Wow, thanks guys that looked like a mad battle.

Quick questions, when I played with the Warmonger I read the rules that you could only have one type of missile, has this changed or was I wrong?

I would have saved the Landa assault for turn 2 when the KoS could have doubled into support range of a Reaver the resulting assault should have seen it off.

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Call yourself an Ork general   I agree that the move was impetuous and I did say at the time that it was probably a mistake. The bigger mistake was not spotting that my warlord was the nearest unit once broken. That cost me an extra attempt at rallying each turn. My fault by not paying total attention.

Now the AMTL.

The warmonger stat line is 8  x support missiles(warheads). So by my reading I must select the payload of each missile at list design time, but I can see no restriction regarding only selecting a single type of warhead.

Clausewitz has made the point on objective denial with the emperor chasis, which I do think is a problem with a normal tournament list. If you tool up for titans no problem.

Comparing the two I just don't see why anyone would take an imperator. For the same points you get
1 - 2 activations with the warmonger. OK one is a single fighter but as this army is always struggling for activations a free one is most welcome.

2 - The ability to have just the support missile you need every turn is brilliant, even if you took 2 of each so couldn't fire the same type 3 turns running I'm sure you will find a target for this beast.

3 - Re-roll one to hit roll per turn, missed with that death stirke missile? Never mind try agian! I'm sure this is a unique ability in Epic and one that, in my opinion at least should go.

Before the game I was concerned about the big guys in the list before and the game certainly seemed to back up my concern. More games are warranted to see if other players can achieve similar results.

it was a fun game, but one that I never really saw a way to win decisively and if the titans don't push for the win, one you are never likely to get a winning draw on points.

The warmonger stat line is 8  x support missiles(warheads). So by my reading I must select the payload of each missile at list design time, but I can see no restriction regarding only selecting a single type of warhead.

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I hope Clauswitz see's this Great Gargant comparison!

Anyway it seems beating me and playing with an Emperor has caused titan sized inspiration to hit Clauswitz!

Edit - I still beleive the fire control system is fine for battle titans as a split fire device - install a FCC, may fire one weapon system at a 2nd formation when firing!

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cool report, really enjoyed reading it, especially this bit: "dis is Orks, no pussy footin' aboot. Kick em in da ankles!"  

looks like a similar experience to mine against TRC with AMTL (though I have no doubt that TRC is by far the better player and it was only 1 game) - there seem to be very few options against them.

Shooting is possible, but you'd have to focus everything on 1 reaver for at least 2 turns to take it out, then you still have 2-3 battle titans denying objectives and shooting the monkeys out of you.

Assault is again possible, but summoning enough forces to assault1 titan is difficult and even then you'd struggle to finish it off. Sure, you might break it, but it's still going to be sitting there and you'll lose a good chunk of your own forces not achieving very much. And then you still have 2-3 battle titans denying objectives and shooting the monkeys out of you.

I don't have the experience or authority to claim that these are major problems, but I'd have to take a very tailored force before I'd take on AMTL again, though I'm sure it'd still be lots of fun

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Matt it is all in the dice - Clauswitz mopped them up with few problems today (biggest problem being Clauswitz spotting I had deployed the whole AMTL army one reaver in front of the first reaver placed, not in line with it, so had a 5cm boost to everything!).

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damn dice!

I get what you're saying (I think), but I'm struggling to see how Mephiston could have done much better (other than perhaps with the landa). As it was, 5 out of 7 Ork fms on the table were broken with Clausewitz' forces almost completely intact. I'm just struggling to see how to deal with AMTL.

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Another Excellent report  

I'm just struggling to see how to deal with AMTL.

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thanks E&C, those are some very interesting tips, particularly wrt taking out the small fms first. Just have to get internet connected at home and I'd be happy to have a Vassal game against AMTL again (or any army for that matter

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no Thick Rear Armour.

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