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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:40 am 
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Perhaps. I'd give a try, if it works, great, if not no real loss.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:23 am 
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They're turning them around quickly at least; mine's here already :smile:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:14 am 
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Quote: (andrewdrexler @ 16 Jun. 2009, 14:48 )

I noticed something from the initial FW announcement about DCing Epic...

Where can I find the original announcement? Haven't seen it in this thread (may have been sleeping while reading...that happens).  :))


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:26 am 
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Hi!

My, my, quite a topic.  :)

Epic stopped being a core GW game back in 1997. That means support has been slipshod, poor or down right non-existent for the last 12 years.

Forgeworld's move is hardly a surprise. I'm quite surprised they took so long.  :;):

We've had "dark periods" before. This one is different though. I really don't see "light" at the end of the tunnel. Even after 1997, I fully expected another version at some point and eventually it did happen. This time, IMO, epic as we knew it will cease to exist as a GW supported game, never to return.

In my view this new titan game rumored, especially with a scale change, pretty much confirms to me that epic A will be the LAST version of epic as a combined arms game (infantry, vehicles and titans, etc.).

This year in the fall "epic" will be 20 years old (first AT boxset from 1989). What a sad birthday present for such a great system.  :sad:

Get what you can afford. This is, for all intents and purposes, the LAST chance.  :_(

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:47 am 
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Quote: (andrewdrexler @ 16 Jun. 2009, 14:48 )

I noticed something from the initial FW announcement about DCing Epic...

Where can I find the original announcement? Haven't seen it in this thread (may have been sleeping while reading...that happens).  :))

There's been no official announcement AFAIK, word has just percolated through in dribs and drabs.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:16 am 
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Quote: (primarch @ 17 Jun. 2009, 03:26 )

Hi!

My, my, quite a topic.  :)

Epic stopped being a core GW game back in 1997. That means support has been slipshod, poor or down right non-existent for the last 12 years.

Forgeworld's move is hardly a surprise. I'm quite surprised they took so long.  :;):

We've had "dark periods" before. This one is different though. I really don't see "light" at the end of the tunnel. Even after 1997, I fully expected another version at some point and eventually it did happen. This time, IMO, epic as we knew it will cease to exist as a GW supported game, never to return.

In my view this new titan game rumored, especially with a scale change, pretty much confirms to me that epic A will be the LAST version of epic as a combined arms game (infantry, vehicles and titans, etc.).

This year in the fall "epic" will be 20 years old (first AT boxset from 1989). What a sad birthday present for such a great system.  :sad:

Get what you can afford. This is, for all intents and purposes, the LAST chance.  :_(

Primarch

I figured you'd show up "P" !! :vD   Yes ... it looks like F/W Epic is on the ropes ...  :;):  8v)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:55 am 
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well thank god i finally ordered my kroot and the GK i wanted when i did.  :O

well at least we still have folks like E&C and otterman filling in some of the missing figs we need.

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I am wary of reading too much into this move by FW. I'm reading a lot of speculation, but we currently know nothing of GW's intentions. It is entirely possible that they are doing what I personally have been expecting to see, which is a consolidation of their competing ranges into a single range available via a single channel (GW online).

We should give GW time to make an official announcement, or at least FW, and not be too hasty in making judgements.

GW's behaviour to date, in terms of making the PDFs available for free and so on, has won them that much ku dos at least.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:09 am 
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This is true.

If they are removing doubles I'm sure we all wish that they were the (IMHO) better FW versions, but perhaps if they do consolidate everything then we will get one cohesive range, and they will move onto supporting and completing other races.  But probably not.

I also wanted a Tau and FW Eldar army, but I guess I'm just lucky to have got my Guard when I did.

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Quote: (GR00V3R @ 17 Jun. 2009, 07:19 )

It is entirely possible that they are doing what I personally have been expecting to see, which is a consolidation of their competing ranges into a single range available via a single channel (GW online).

We should give GW time to make an official announcement, or at least FW, and not be too hasty in making judgements.

I don't think we're going to get any kind of announcement from GW or FW on this sadly. A "We're going to be stopping selling the epic in x time, get them while they're left!" amount is the most I could have seen happening and they didn't even bother with that. All that will happen is the FW models will be sold down and will quietly disappear from the website. I see no chance of this being FW stopping supporting it so that GW can more either - if GW were going to more, there might be more of a case for FW continuing, but GW are just keeping the same there and mainting the little profits that come from it, while bumping the prices up every so often and concentrating on selling overpriced core games to the cash cow of the waves of passing rich kids.

Lets not loose hope though. For one thing missing models or sometimes whole armies will pop up on ebay now and again - leave favourite searches for 'epic tau' 'epic forge world' or whatever it is you want - there are some epic chimeras on there are the moment for example (think the standard multi-laser ones but I'm not certain - if you want them message the seller and ask). Then there are all the exciting new models available from the OtterChaos World of Forges too anyway - with community work our model ranges may get better not worse :smile:


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Glyn: Was that your £950 order? I assume there is a lot to go through but have you had any bad miscasts so far? What happens in that event?

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This time, IMO, epic as we knew it will cease to exist as a GW supported game, never to return. In my view this new titan game rumored, especially with a scale change, pretty much confirms to me that epic A will be the LAST version of epic as a combined arms game (infantry, vehicles and titans, etc.).
That's over-stating the case! Things aren't that bad! The variety of the nice FW Epic models and the Tau range are going the way of the Dodo. The EpicA rules are still available on the GW site, however, which we can use and point people to, and they are being updated and the Net-EA are working towards the NET-EA army book, which will make the game more accessible. The model ranges that GW sell will still be available, and should be going on into the future. Also all the Aeronautica Imperialis models will still be available and can well be used - leave the Flak Gun off and Ork Flakwagon and you have a perfect battlewagon, customise it with some kind of gun and you have a gunwagon. The Eldar Fire Storms, Tau Sky Rays and  Hydras/Manticores will still be available and could be converted to Falcons, Hammerheads or Chimeras without that much difficulty.

In my view this new titan game rumored, especially with a scale change, pretty much confirms to me that epic A will be the LAST version of epic as a combined arms game (infantry, vehicles and titans, etc.). I love EpicA and can't say I have any problem with it if that was to be the case; so long as people continue to play the game and it is tweaked and expanded here then I have no need for a shiny new version of the rules in a four year cycle like you get with the core games or anything.

An extra 10-15% scale to make the Titans the actual size they should always have been seems no problem to me - why does it matter if some of our titans are different sizes/types, even when fielded in the same army? The scale difference between the FW and GW aircraft is much greater anyway - up to 50% bigger in some cases! I myself use all the different titan models together and have no problem with them co-existing in the same army - there's perfect in-game background justification anyway with all the different forge world's producing their own varying Patterns from the original STC pattern.

I suspect if you take all the people who play any version of epic now and take the amount of people that would try the titan game the latter would be a larger number. Once they had bought the expensive titan models and had their fun with that at least some of them might decide they want to have a look at the epic rules/community and maybe pick up some little guys to go with them and give normal epic a try - the future could potentially see more players, not less.We should also very likely get a bunch of cool new scenery to use with it too I expect :smile:





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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:07 am 
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Quote: (daemonkin @ 17 Jun. 2009, 09:59 )

Glyn: Was that your £950 order? I assume there is a lot to go through but have you had any bad miscasts so far? What happens in that event?

£750ish of FW resin in a ludicrously large box. I was out with friends last night and only had time for a very quick look over a few bits when I got back late. Virtually everything I have looked over seem great :smile: The casting detail on the main body of the Grey Knights Land Raiders is on the slightly poorer side of the acceptable range, but not enough for me to be unhappy buying them or to consider complaining even at the best of times. I have also seen a single broken Kroot in one bag and also have some missing antenna components from some Eldar Falcons from a previous order a month or two back I hadn't got round to mentioning to them and may try to get fixed/replaced too - if they'll let me. I plan to have a proper look through tonight (possibly tomorrow night too if it takes that long) and then ring up to contact them - I will try for replacements, or failing that money/credit back for them (still need some other AI aircraft for epic use too).

The other £200ish of the £950 was actually paying over the odds trans-Atlantically for various models from the Chaos Orc webstore in the US that FW had stopped selling by that point (they still have some other OOP bits now if anyone's quick).


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Quote: (GR00V3R @ 17 Jun. 2009, 07:19 )

I am wary of reading too much into this move by FW. I'm reading a lot of speculation, but we currently know nothing of GW's intentions. It is entirely possible that they are doing what I personally have been expecting to see, which is a consolidation of their competing ranges into a single range available via a single channel (GW online).

We should give GW time to make an official announcement, or at least FW, and not be too hasty in making judgements.

Not by past behaviour sadly. They have dropped Epic models and scenary before and they have never returned. Not competting with anything.

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