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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:57 am 
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Yep. I've had precious little feedback - most of the BL batreps I've seen have used the original or tournie mod rules.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:21 am 
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Hellblades are awesome.

Helltalons are sub-standard, I suggest making them cheaper.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:39 am 
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Jervis OK'd the factions removal.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:45 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:56 am 
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Quote: (Hena @ 09 Jun. 2009, 10:27 )

Also I don't like the factions rule removal.

Me too! Why were Factions removed? It's a a very charcterful and appropriate rule!


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Because in practice it was never actually used, people just took factions that didn't have disagreements.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:07 am 
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Ah but Ben in practical terms that limits you to only 3 demon princes!
Plus if you like khornite CC demons you can't support them with Tzentch FF demons.
Edit - shows what I know about Chaos! So the best combo ain't blocked :)




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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:15 am 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 09 Jun. 2009, 10:57 )

Because in practice it was never actually used, people just took factions that didn't have disagreements.

As should be surely? That just shows the rule was working. Bloodletters should not walk happily hand in claw with daemonettes.

Under the very strongest of influences I can just about imagine them fighting as part of the same army, but only temporarily for a particular purpose. They still hate each other with a burning passion and are constantly tempted to attack or taunt each other, and would be keeping an eye on the opposing numbers to make sure they don't try anything. In game terms having this representing by encouraging the player to keep them on separate areas of the battlefield, or by having them distracted from their commands if they are nearby seems good to me.

I may well try all the other elements of the changes here, but I flat out will not lose the Factions rule in my games (standardly I separate my lists into Tzeentch/Slaanesh and Khorne/Nurgle themed anyway but for big 5-15k games I would combine them) and feel very strongly that it should not have been removed, Jervis blessing or no.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:38 am 
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Bloodletters should not walk happily hand in claw with daemonettes.


Well in Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer, they do...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:43 pm 
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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 09 Jun. 2009, 11:07 )

Plus if you like khornite CC demons you can't support them with Tzentch FF demons.

Actually, you can.  The hatreds are Khorne-Slaanesh and Nurgle-Tzeentch.  Khorne-Tzeentch is fine.

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I'm okay with losing factions.  As pointed out, with only a few rare exceptions everyone just takes 1-3 factions of non-hating factions, i.e. Nurgle-Khorne or Tzeentch-Slaanesh-Undivided.

If there were some sort of special synergy in using the hated factions together, then it would be okay.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:27 pm 
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Quote: (Lord Inquisitor @ 09 Jun. 2009, 02:57 )

Yep. I've had precious little feedback - most of the BL batreps I've seen have used the original or tournie mod rules.

Anyone any feedback?

I think largely, at least on my part as I'm fed up with banging my head against a brick wall with the BL. The loudest group have said their views so often they are now viewed as fact and that is the route the list has gone down.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:44 pm 
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Yep. I've had precious little feedback - most of the BL batreps I've seen have used the original or tournie mod rules.

Anyone any feedback?

I think largely, at least on my part as I'm fed up with banging my head against a brick wall with the BL. The loudest group have said their views so often they are now viewed as fact and that is the route the list has gone down.

It would be better if you voiced your concerns, instead of simply saying "you're a clique who doesn't engage in open debate". That description certainly doesn't apply to this forum.


'The loudest group' you refer to is 'the majority of debate participants', who agreed months ago that there were some balance problems with the Black Legion list (and no list is free of balance problems), and agreed to test some possible tweaks.

We're now being asked to give feedback on those tweaks / air other issues, hardly the act of a clique.

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