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Post subject: Warhound question  Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:50 pm |
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| Quote (Gandalf the Grey @ 27 2003 Oct.,21:20) | | It is such a shame GW is putting their best sculpters behind Epic because I think we'd be getting much better stuff. |
This quote just doesn't make sense....do you mean "...GW isn't..."? As that would make much more sense.
You bring up a good point about varience with the Epic 40k range, but I believe Jervis is (was) having them re-tooled, at least with the IG stuff, so I think _some_ of the varience will still be there.
Plus, I'm not sure this is the correct place to rant and rave about how bad the new models are. You don't have to buy them! You can get older models.
I know we promote free speech on the forum, but I think a line must be drawn somewhere.
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Post subject: Warhound question Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:13 pm |
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Hi!
This model was bashed good enough on another thread with you should search to see the gamut of impressions.
Granted its not the prettiest thing they have done, hopefully some "retouching" will be dne on it.
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Post subject: Warhound question Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:28 pm |
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| Quote (Chris @ 27 2003 Oct.,21:50) | | You bring up a good point about varience with the Epic 40k range, but I believe Jervis is (was) having them re-tooled, at least with the IG stuff, so I think _some_ of the varience will still be there. |
The new IG miniatures will come with main chassis attached to tracks. The Vanquisher I painted for fanatic was cast like this. Seems a bit strange to me since they've literally made a mould of the 3 parts put together, but it does save some hassle.
I would hope that they will have a number of options available for each of the chassis types, but I dont know anything on this for certain either way.
Primarch:
I'm afraid for those who are not keen, this IS the final model.
Gandalf:
The old models will still be available for the warhound. It does look better in real life, its not a particularly flattering angle. Hopefully I will get clearance to post my own images soon & you can get a better view. Certainly not a favourite of mine, but so far I do personally think its getting more bad press than it really deserves. You're welcome to your opinions though  _________________ Cheers, Paul "TuffSkull" T. http://hobbybrush.com - My New Website, with thousands of painted Mini Pics :) http://hobbybrush.blogspot.com - My Hobby Blog TuffSkull's notepad- My Old Blog on Wargames Wiki.
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Post subject: Warhound question Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:18 am |
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| Quote (Chris @ 27 2003 Oct.,21:50) | [/quote]
[quote="Gandalf the Grey,27 2003 Oct.,21:20"]It is such a shame GW is putting their best sculpters behind Epic because I think we'd be getting much better stuff. |
This quote just doesn't make sense....do you mean "...GW isn't..."? As that would make much more sense. |
My bad. I don't proof read. I am an idiot. Sorry.
Plus, I'm not sure this is the correct place to rant and rave about how bad the new models are. You don't have to buy them! You can get older models.
I know we promote free speech on the forum, but I think a line must be drawn somewhere. |
Where? I'm sorry Chris, if I said I liked it, would you have approved my post? Maybe I'll run everything through you first before I post it, just to make sure you don't think it is a rant or something you might disagree with. ?I know we all like Epic, but I'll be damned if I am going to rubber stamp everything Fanatic releases just because it has Jervis's stamp of approval. ?I think the Warhound sucks and that is that. ?If you like it, you can buy it! I am still going to think that I wouldn't be interested if someone gave it to me for free.
I can't keep track of who said what in what thread because they start out with a theme, but evolve into something completely different. ?If you are reading this post, and feel it has already been covered already, I apologize. ?If you really like the Warhound, and are irritated that I have insulted it, I am sorry. Actually I am not going to apologize for my opinion, I am being sarcastic.
Maybe I have grown out of this s*h*i*t or whatever, but this reminds me how much gamers seem to have their heads up Jervis's ass to a point that if you are the slightest bit critical of what he does you are a bad guy, or he's our savior because he has given us the Ork Landa! Thank God! ?Please, give me a break. ?I actually thought that posting here was more diplomatic than saying it sucked on the Epic Playtesting forum, but I guess it doesn't make a difference where I post.
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Post subject: Warhound question Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:41 am |
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Okay, everyone relax and breath deeply. 
This model has been released for EpicA, and this is the EpicA forum. I dont see a problem with criticising it here, so will leave the thread here. Just like if someone were to praise the new Valkyrie (yum) I'd leave it here.
And as for the topic beng covered, that maybe true. But, like Gandalf, I dont get to see every post. Where the Warhound was critiscised was on a thread of another topic, so its not unusual for him to have not seen it. Many posts do start on one subject, and end up being one liners from star trek.   I too stop reading threads after a few pages, often because there's not much more of relevance there.
It would be far easier just to point him in the direction of other peoples comments. We are fortunant now to have a site large enough where a lot is going on, and people with a lack of time may miss things like this.
Anyway, I would have personally loved to see the warhound looking like the 40K version that's recently released. That is a lovely model. I will, however, reserve judgement until I see it in the flesh.
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Post subject: Warhound question Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:37 pm |
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Hi Guys,
Decision made, I started fiddling with a 5000point Ork list last night ready for the New Year's painting project to begin. I wont be starting this project in any big way until the 21st January, as thats when my GF returns to Uni, but I may Fiddle a few bits before then (and I'm cheating anyway as I have a few bits already done!)
I want to have 3 factions to give a good variety of painting. These will be a Blood Axe Faction (possibly with some looted Desert Ferrin Vehicles for character - I have some chimeras & Leman Russ left over anyway!), a Bad Moon Faction and last but by no means Least, The Speed Freaks Faction. All will be roughly equal in size at just under 1500points each, and the Gargant will fill the gap to make 5K.
The List somewhat wrote itself. I started making a note of what units I wanted, and when I stopped to toal up how much I'd got so far, I'd almost filled the 5K! On Noticing I hadnt included any flyboyz, the addition of a few put me just over the target (dodgey maths withstanding). So the list currently stands at:
Blood Axe Faction:
Big Warband (4 Nobz, 12 Boyz, 4 Grotz)
+ 2 Nobz
+ 10 Battlewagons ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?770 points
Stormboyz Warhorde (6 Stormboyz) ? ? ? ? ? ? ?150
+ 6 x Kommandoz ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?150
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 300 points
'Uge Blitz Brigade (2 flakwagon, 10 Gunwagonz) 350
+ 2 Gun Fortresses ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?270
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 620 points
Blood Axe Total: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?1690points
Bad Moonz Horde
Big Warband (4Nobz, 12 Boyz, 4gretchin) ? ? ? ? ? ? 350 points
Big Mekboy Gunz Mob ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 225
+ 2 Oddboyz ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +100
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 325 points
Stompa Mob ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 225
+ 2 Stompas ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?+150
+ 4 Dreds ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?+140
+ 5 killa Kanz ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +125
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?640 points
Bad Moonz Total: 1315 points
Kult of Speed
Flyboyz (6 Fighta Bomberz) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 300 points
Big KoS(5 Bike, 8 Buggies, 3 Skorchers) ? ? ? ?350
+ 1 Flak Wagon ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?35
+ Oddboy ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?50
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?435 points
Big KoS ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 350
+ Flak Wagon ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?35
+ 8 Gunwagons ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?280
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?615 points
Kult of Speed Total: 1350 points
Gargant: ?650 points
Army Total: 5005 points
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Post subject: Warhound question Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 7:31 pm |
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Generally speaking, it looks good, but the formations are really large all across the board. You would probably do better splitting a few of them up to give you a bit more tactical flexibility.
>> Big Warband (4 Nobz, 12 Boyz, 4 Grotz)
+ 2 Nobz
+ 10 Battlewagons 770 points
For example, this is really big. It could easily function as 2 mechanized infantry units for only slighly more points. Solid and well-rounded either way.
>> Stormboyz Warhorde (6 Stormboyz) 150
+ 6 x Kommandoz 150
You Kommandoz will slow down your Stormboyz. I would recommend all Stormboyz, or dethkoptaz in order to keep your speed up. As long as you are 50% or greater on Stormboyz, the formation will still be able to garrison.
It's rather unfortunate, but Kommandoz don't have much place in the army, tactically speaking. They would probably do better in the warband, as you could have them ride along to the assault, and they they can bypass ZoC when charging, allowing more units in base-to-base.
>> 'Uge Blitz Brigade (2 flakwagon, 10 Gunwagonz)
+ 2 Gun Fortresses
Again, this could be 2 formations. Perhaps a Big brigade and a basic w/ Fortresses. My personal preference for an armor formation is basic BB (1 flak, 2 gunwagon, 1 oddboy wagon), and a gunfortress for 335 points.
>> Big Mekboy Gunz Mob 225
+ 2 Oddboyz +100
I would strongly recommend picking up all the spare nobz. Gunz don't count for mob up, so you really need the help on removing BMs. Also, having a few extra stands to bump it to a Uge mob might be fun (I like the gunz).
>> Stompa Mob 225
+ 2 Stompas +150
+ 4 Dreds +140
+ 5 killa Kanz +125
I would recommend taking fewer kans, dreads and stompas and take a supastompa for about the same points. Same firepower as a gargant for much lower price.
>> Bad Moonz Total: 1315 points
Never enough bad moonz! 
>> Big KoS(5 Bike, 8 Buggies, 3 Skorchers) 350
+ 1 Flak Wagon 35
+ Oddboy 50
The oddboy has nothing to upgrade. You can't add it to a flakwagon or any of the KoS units. If you want flak shots and an oddboy, you will need to take a flakwagon and a gunwagon w/ the upgrade.
I've found KoS do better when they are single-purpose formations. This is a solid, well-rounded formation but you have other well-rounded formations. I would recommend making the formation all bikes, or all LVs. If you want a shooty formation, a mix of mostly buggies, with a few skorchas and the wagonz. If you want an assault formation, use mostly bikes with a few skorchas, but the mix of bikes and LVs may come back to haunt you.
>> Big KoS 350
+ Flak Wagon 35
+ 8 Gunwagons 280
Similar to above. If you want an armor formation, use a straight BB, as it will no doubt end up cheaper. If you really want a mix, double check whether it's cheaper this way, or with a BB and upgrades (You're probably right, but I have no idea off the top of my head).
This would also work well as separates - Big Kos and Big BB.
Hope that helps.
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