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Do You Pre-Measure Ranges?
Yes I allow pre-measuring for shooting and assaults. 100%  100%  [ 63 ]
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Do You Pre-Measure Ranges?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:31 pm 
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Mostly I'll go pre-measure but the fact is if anyone wants to play either way then I'm happy just to get a game in.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:19 pm 
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Pre-measuring for me, it's the recommended method in the book- what more endorsement do you need?

Guessing is far more gamey, as conflicting rules and tricks allow players to sneakily pre-measure in specific circumstances. Whilst people invent a whole art-form around guessing inches.
E.g. firing a Magic Missile in Warhammer, measuring, then later shooting the Cannon next to the wizard with unerring accuracy...

With pre-measuring both players can make informed decisions on the battle situation without resorting to loopholes and secret pre-measure tricks, if you fail in a pre-measure game it is because you made a tactical or strategic error (you moved into a trap prepared by your opponent, or misjudged how powerful your action would be, etc). If you fail in a guessing game, it can often be for the truly disappointing reason that you misjudged 1" having set-up an elaborate plan.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:08 pm 
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What Jeridian said...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:24 pm 
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I don't buy the "no pre-measuring" for fantasy/medieval either. Reason: the player is a GENERAL. Not a line soldier or even a unit commander. Since when did a general personally estimate distances to targets? He trusted his subordinates to do that.


Mojarn Piett, I was going to write exactly the same. NealHunt is also right.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:40 pm 
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is better no premeasuring , add more tactics


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:59 pm 
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The tactical part is that you have to plan in case your initial plan fails because of the range.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:12 pm 
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why ? if i can't guess range maybe i can do an advance istead of a double and i miss the target because is long ,if i already know how long is the enemy i known for sure what order do.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:25 pm 
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Exactly. Without premeasuring, your tactical options are limited by your skill. With pre-measuring, you are in full possession of the facts of what is where on the battlefield and so can concentrate purely on what is tactically effective, rather than what is allowed by your own judgement.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:53 pm 
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Some games add "no premeasuring" to add "tactical" dimensions, but really it just adds some guessing skill to obscure the lack of tactics elsewhere. Epic has enough tactical dimensions to not need this bit of pseudo-tactics, it's a stronger game without it.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:58 am 
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I prefer premeasuring. It's simpler, feels more intuitive to me and a game isn't ruined if somebody measures something by "accident". "I'll just place my measure over here" *Eyeballs line parallell to measure in close vincinity on the table.*

I used to play Empire in WFB and back then I rarely missed a guess so it's not the skill that bothers me. Heck, we used to make a joke of it at the game club. Don't let the Empire players set up the terrain, all hedges will be 8 inches from the edge (thus providing excellent cover for the handgunners). We didn't use measures when we set up terrain.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:15 pm 
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I must confess that I had become accustomed to pre-measuring not being allowed in on other GW games, that I had overlooked actually playing allowing pre-measuring in EA.

Having read through all the arguments, I will definitely be allowing pre-measuring in my next game, in order to see how it plays.  I think the arguments made in favour of this method have been very compelling.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:09 pm 
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I think allowing premeasuring also stops a lot of potential arguments occurring.  When I used to play fantasy there would always be instances of to quote something I actually had to say to an opponent "Why are u measuring your 18" movent using 48" of tapemeasure?" also if i nip to the loo while playing a game how do i know my opponent hasn't been measuring away?  It is far easier to allow it and see who the real tacticians are rather than who the cm mathematicians are.


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