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My first Epic game

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:36 pm 
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It has been twelve years since playing my last Epic game with the old Space Marine rules.  Tonight, after a couple months of collecting and painting (and all that goes along with those chores) I will finally play a game of Epic.  As the only armis I have painted at this time are a Blood Angels and Ulthwe (and a couple Imperial Titans) we are going to start out easy and try to get a handle on the rules.

They seem a lot easier and less esoteric than NetEpic/SM, so hopefully I won't need too many clarifications, but be warned, there will probably be a barrage of questions that may or may not have been covered in previous posts, so have some patience with me.

Thanks in advance to everyone for re-igniting this bug in me.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:50 pm 
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Welcome DCD Hermes,

They seem a lot easier and less esoteric than NetEpic/SM,


I have been insulted, surah! Choose your weapon and time to meet upon the field of honour!..  

ooh... ok, so it was a bit complicated  :sigh:

Thanks in advance to everyone for re-igniting this bug in me.

I hope that setting fire to your bug is a good thing and wish you all the best with the Epic. Even if it is that new fangled revamp all you young 'uns are playing now a'days.




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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:59 pm 
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Too funny, but am I a young one if I remember playing SM in 96?  What was it Indiana Jones said about years and milage?

My opponent tonight still has his Eldar army from 12 years ago, and is not convinced the new rules are better, but we will see.

We are open to trying Netepic if this doesn't spark his interest, I just don't want to buy that many more models to field those truly, Epic, battles.  But if I have all the armies at my place, then I'll play what I want to play... :tongue:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:03 pm 
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Welcome back to Epic... personally I reckon this edition is the best yet!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:11 pm 
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I too remember Space Marine etc in the good 'ol days when gamers where assured to spend the majority of their day  arguing over obscure rule descriptions and the merits of a cool reasoning manner over a swift boot in places better left unmentioned. Ah, what a game!

I have still to play the new system, I'm ashamed to say but it's only a matter of time before my laziness is defeated by my desire to try new things... just not all at once.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:34 am 
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Welcome back to Epic, I'm sure that you'll enjoy the experience.

Don't be afraid to ask questions, we have all been there and some of us are still finding things that we have interpreted incorrectly.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:00 pm 
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It always pleases me when a veteran epic player returns to the fold after a long hiatus. I'll admit that I was a little leery to embrace another edition of epic, but I'm glad I did. This an excellent edition.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:35 pm 
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Boy what a differnce between Space Marine and E:A.

We played a small test game of 1K points.  I was Blood Angels, my opponent played Eldar.  We decided to ignore objectives and exclude WE and Aircraft, just to get a handle on the rules.  I fielded 2 Assault Detachments, 1 Bike detachement, 1 Land Raiders Detachment, and 2 Death Guard just to round out the points (remember, we weren't trying to be legal here).

My opponent fielded 1 Gaurdian detachment with 2x wraithgaurd and support weapon platform upgrades, 1 aspect host comprised of 4 Banshees w/ Exarch, 2 Fire Dragons, and 2 Dark Reapers with Wave Serpents to get them to the fight, and 1 Falcon Detachment comprised of 4 Falcons and 2 Fire Prims.

And here are my impressions:

1.) Strategy rating, nice concept, SM rule here, although I think I lost initiative one of the turns.
2.) No more placing orders at the begining of the turn to all formations.  This rules, I like being able to change tactics as the turn unfolds.
3.) Blast Markers.  I was most worried about these, but they play amazingly well.  Only question is giving BM's when coming under fire.  If a formation comes under fire by two separate enemy formations (separetly), does that mean 1 BM per enemy formation, or just one BM for coming under fire no matter how many times that turn?
4.) Movement.  I like the differnt movement types, although there was confusion in turn one as to how to initiate an assault, but problem solved in turn two.
5.) Assault.  These are just mean and nasty now.  Assault resolution really hurts formations with the 2d6 roll + modifiers.  I think I broke his Aspect Warriors and Gaurdians after an assault.  I have questions on how to use 4x Assault Marines per formation here against 8 stands in a gaurdian host, but I'll try to keep things brief.
6.) Land Raiders.  I've read hear and there, that people really don't like Land Raiders, not sure why, my 4 decimated his Falcons/Fire Prisms in one turn, broke the formation and they never recovered.  The Reinforced Armor rules.  These guys won me the game essentially.  They even finished off his Gaurdians as they were cowering in a building.  Sure lucky rolls, but those things are BA.
7.)  Broken units.  When a formation is broken, do they retreat immediatly, or do they wait until the next turn?  If they fail their rally at the end of the turn, do they retreat again, or is their activation the next turn retreating?  This was a pretty grey area last night.

All in all a fun time, we are going to attempt a larger game next week, with WE this time, maybe some Titans.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:46 pm 
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If a formation comes under fire by two separate enemy formations (separetly), does that mean 1 BM per enemy formation, or just one BM for coming under fire no matter how many times that turn?


Every time a formation comes under fire it receives a blast marker.

When a formation is broken, do they retreat immediatly, or do they wait until the next turn?  If they fail their rally at the end of the turn, do they retreat again, or is their activation the next turn retreating?

When a formation becomes broken it may immediately make 2 moves to withdraw.  If a formation fails to rally in the end phase it may make 2 moves to withdraw again. Broken formations do not activate.

The learning scenarios in the book are a great place to start for getting the rules. I'd recommend a few more games without WEs but obviously you can do what you want. :p




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:22 pm 
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So when a formation withdraws, it can move 2 moves, do they have to move the entire two moves or could they move say 1/2 the distance of one move to seek shelter in a building, even though it would leave them within the 30cm distance that is a modifier to rallying?

And how do broken formations work with assault?  He had units in transports, I assaulted, he deployed from the transports as part of the counter charge, and entered the assault.  He ended up losing the assault, but it seemed a bit wonky that he could deploy out and enter the assault.

At the end of the assault, can troops enter a transport as part of the their retreat or consolidation if they deployed from the transports at the start of the assault?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:24 pm 
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Oh yeah, and thanks for the input.  Much appreciated.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:53 pm 
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Quote: (DCD Hermes @ 12 Aug. 2008, 19:22 )

So when a formation withdraws, it can move 2 moves, do they have to move the entire two moves or could they move say 1/2 the distance of one move to seek shelter in a building, even though it would leave them within the 30cm distance that is a modifier to rallying?

And how do broken formations work with assault?  He had units in transports, I assaulted, he deployed from the transports as part of the counter charge, and entered the assault.  He ended up losing the assault, but it seemed a bit wonky that he could deploy out and enter the assault.

At the end of the assault, can troops enter a transport as part of the their retreat or consolidation if they deployed from the transports at the start of the assault?

Up to two moves. Remember if the broken formation ends up within 15cms of any enemy formation its destroyed.

If you have 2 units in base contact with a vehicle its occupants can't get out. Otherwise they can counter charge as per the rules.

The air assault is a really special case. If the troops consolidate onto a landed air transport it can not take off at the end of that turn. This is to stop the so called eternal air assault. Have a quick search on here as this was extensively discussed around 9 months ago. (Ginger will be along to explain  :shutup: )


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:10 pm 
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Marines vs Eldar is a hell of a way to get into Epic, just pick the two most specialized, least forgiving armies you can find, lol.

On the subject of Landraiders its not that they're bad, its that they aren't Leman Russes Companies and people always want to play them as if they are. So long as you realize they are a small, hard unit and not a big, hard unit they are pretty nice.

/gripe They really need to be able to transport other formations though... /endgripe

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:13 pm 
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Thanks Mephiston, I don't think I had his wave serpent pinned into CC, but that is something to think about in the future if he has a bunch of troops in a transport.

As far as charging though, is it the closest unit I charge, or can I run past meat shields to CC the transports to prevent Banshees or other nasties from counter charging?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:20 pm 
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/gripe They really need to be able to transport other formations though... /endgripe


I'm confused by that rule, T-Hawks can transport units from other formations, but it says in the transport section that transports can only transport units from the same formation.  Or are T-Hawks a special case (and how many times did I just type transport?)

As far as the difficulty on the armies, we've both played back in the SM days, I was ork, he was eldar, so the game is not completly foreign.  And we are starting small and working our way up.  I still have a box full of tau and orks to paint up, and starting to collect Nids (which seem to have the most heated debates).  That way all my friends can play, and hopefully ignite this bug in others here.

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