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New WE/AV Proposed Stats
Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:38 am 
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I think fearless is fine on the Hierophant... if the points value has to change then so be it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:45 am 
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(Hena @ Nov. 02 2006,14:56)
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I'm hoping that the fearless on hierophant is a mistake as well. Because now the cost should be more like 325 ...

Ragna ... MC, GC, IB what are these?

Sorry to much time on a 40K nid forum.

MC - Monstrous creature (carnifex and tyrant)

GC - Gargantium creature (FW super heavy nids)

IB - instintive behaviour, the thing that makes nids run away.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:01 am 
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- Why don't the Bio-Titans get the "weapons may fire all round due to the Titan's exceptional maneuverability", just like the Eldar Titans? They do seem very agile and maneuverable, don't they?


It is the Bio-Titan's Long Legs that make it agile, the weapon mountings (On a living creature :O  Jaldon can't you think of a better word) are still relatively fixed. Eldar Titans are not only very agile they also have very flexible weapon mountings AND the crews were literally raised with the Titan they command.

Also, most of you seem to agree that the Malefactor is more attractive than the Haruspex: how about lowering the Malefactor's FF value to 5+?


Not a bad idea to try to keep possible firepower up, while keeping possible costs down.

I'm hoping that the fearless on hierophant is a mistake

I can only blame my pain killers :cool: , it has been removed.

Tunneling Trygon, I am begining to like this idea, but I am failing to see how to make it work without making the Trygon an independent, which I do not want to do.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:15 pm 
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Tunneling Trygon, I am begining to like this idea, but I am failing to see how to make it work without making the Trygon an independent, which I do not want to do.


Give Trygons a Note that allows them to go Synapse-free on the turn the arrive? (Act as independent formation).

I'd also prefer to see Raveners gaining the same tunneling ability as Trygons, for a suitable points increase of course.

This would both help them be more differentiated in character from the other Brood creatures, and provide new tactical options.

It's a pity that there's no Background mentions of tunneling Synapse creatures or this would be an easy problem to solve (With a Tunneling formation that included its own Tunneling Hive Tyrant, all units in the formation would emerge at the same moment as their Hive Tyrant).

Perhaps Tunneling could be a third Variant of the Hive Tyrant? ie: Normal, Winged, & Tunneler.

That'd give the army a Tunneling Synapse, a Tunneling Brood unit, and a Tunneling WE.

Pretty much a mirror for the air units then.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:32 pm 
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(Jaldon @ Nov. 04 2006,06:01)
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Tunneling Trygon, I am begining to like this idea, but I am failing to see how to make it work without making the Trygon an independent, which I do not want to do.

For simplicity's sake and to avoid another special rule, I feel infiltrator is enough of an ability to represent the "burrowing" of a Trygon or Ravener.

It lets you ignore ZoC of the target formation and lets you base who you want.  I really don't think there needs to be a new rule for it and it can be explained in the flavour text.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:11 pm 
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(Jaldon @ Nov. 04 2006,06:01)
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I'm hoping that the fearless on hierophant is a mistake


I can only blame my pain killers :cool: , it has been removed.

Actually, I thought Fearless made sense for the Hierophant. All other Tyranid WE have it, why would the Hierophant be the only one that's not Fearless?

That would certainly make it more expensive, but it also seems more logical. Well, to me at least.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:06 am 
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(Hena @ Nov. 05 2006,19:27)
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I would remove fearless from hierodules and trygon. Possibly leave it on trygon, but definitely off from hierodules.

Actually, that would be more logical, since the Hierodule and Trygon are brood creatures and thus more likely to get confused.

But I really think the Hierophant, as an independant Bio-Titan, should be Fearless.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:44 am 
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I think it should have fearless.

It makes less sense that the smaller creatures have it and he doesn't.  It is also described, like the carnifex, as a line breaker.  Designed to charge forwards absorbing the enemies fire, before crashing into their lines and destroying them.

It can't do this if it suffers hack down hits.

Finally,upping its cost to give it fearless will make the bio titan horde harder to use.  I've sickened my regular opponent by using two heirophants two heirodules (one of each) and a dominatrix in 3K.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:53 am 
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Just to reiterate, I'm also on the side of giving the Heirophant Fearless.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:36 pm 
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I'm liking most of these suggestions but have a thought on the Trygon tunneling issue.

How about giving it teleport but keeping it as a brood creature? This way the Trygon can seemingly appear out of nowhere but must still end the turn within synapse range.

I'm not for introducing any new special tunneling rules.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:41 pm 
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How about giving it teleport but keeping it as a brood creature? This way the Trygon can seemingly appear out of nowhere but must still end the turn within synapse range.


I suggested this a couple of months back... it was generally disliked, and Jaldon himself specifically veto'd it.

I'm not for introducing any new special tunneling rules.

The Tunneling special rule is at least found in the main rulebook, and so it wouldn't be an extra army-specific rule at least.

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