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Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions

Mojarn Piett

Post subject: Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:40 am

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Have any of the nice people who were interested in my E-A Squat list actually tried it?

I know it's pretty hard since there are no point values, but still I'd like to know whether it is good for anything. ?

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dafrca

Post subject: Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:28 am

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I would bet, without points the list is just interesting reading. I would think that if you first put points you think should be there then you would get more interest in using it and further have people offer feedback.

Just my two cents worth

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MaksimSmelchak

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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 7:28 am

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I'll see if I can find my buddy, Chern. He was the one who volunteered to write the Squat list for E-A. I'm sure he'd be interested in seeing it.

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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 7:01 pm

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The Squat VTOL was called the Iron Eagle. I have one flight of 3 plus one that is with the Colossus.

Does anyone remember if there were official variants of the Iron Eagle Squat gyrocopter or was that only in NetEpic?

I seem to remember that there were some in a Citadel Journal.

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primarch

Post subject: Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:50 pm

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Hi!

I answered on another thread, but yes I rmember, the rules in Netepic are a close approximation of that article.

I am tracking down the exact CJ number...

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Post subject: Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:59 pm

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Hi!

For everyone's benefit I have posted the Index for CJ.

The answer that Maksim was looking for is Issue number 14.

Space Marine / Titan Legions
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#1) Random Armies: draw your forces; includes a scenario
#1) EPIC Knights: rules for using knights in EPIC (may include Eldar knights)
#2) Storm The Breach: urban combat with buildings and fortifications in EPIC
#3) Inner Force: expanded psychic system for EPIC
#4) The Power Within: Rune Priests, Adeptus Psykers, and Chaos Magi for EPIC
#4) Snakebite Cyber-Wyvern: rules and conversion tips for these Orky flyers in EPIC
#5) EPIC Special Characters: for Orks and Squats
#9) Legions of Chaos: rules for including Chaos Titans on your EPIC games
#9) Goffik Rokkers: rules for fielding deeze boyz with your EPIC orkz
#10) Mega Wars (pt 1): campaign system for EPIC
#10) Legions of Chaos: another Chaos Titan for EPIC
#11) Mega Wars (pt 2): Campaign System for EPIC
#11) EPIC Characters: Warp Spiders, Legion of the Damned Marines, and Imperial Confessors for EPIC
#12) Dreadnought Assault: modelling tips for making 40K style Marine Dreads for 40K
#13) Abominatus, Despoiler of Worlds: rules and datacard for Adrain Wood's Imperator Titan of Khorne in your EPIC army
#14) Steel & Stone: new EPIC unit cards for the Squats in Epic
#15) The Kalamata Conflict: mini-campaign for EPIC
#16) The Everchanging Faces of Chaos: rules for using the Warp Palaces of Tzeentch in EPIC
#17) The Storm, The Hunter & the Seer: 3 special cards for Epic

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EPIC Warhammer 40,000
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#20) The Directors Cut: rules left out of the boxed game
#20) EPIC Squats: complete army list for Squats in E40K
#21) EPIC 40K Adeptus Mechanicus: rules for Knights & Tech Guard
#21) Machineries of Destruction: optional upgrades for Imperial Titans
#24) Warriors of Justice: EPIC Adeptus Arbites
#27) Children of the Kraken: Genestealer cult rules for EPIC
#27) Dok Butcha's Konvershun Klinik: Banelord Titan of Khorne, "Fatbloke" Gargant, & a list of all titan bitz availablefrom UK Mail Order
#31) Seige of Herodopolis: scenario - Orks vs Imperium for EPIC
#31) Get Stompin': tips on customizing your Ork warband for EPIC

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Post subject: Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:07 pm

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Hi!

I also had this file of the WD index:

Epic White Dwarf Index

Issue Date Description

--- Adeptus Titanticus / Space Marine ---

109 1/89 Land Raider! ? Rules for Vehicles
Reavers & Warhounds ? Reaver & Warhound Titans

110 2/89 Space Marine! ? Rules for Infantry
Eldar ? Eldar Titans & Vehicles

111 3/89 Chain Fist! ? Weapons and close combat
Craters

112 4/89 Conqueror ? Robot Rules

114 6/89 Death Blow ? Damage Rules

115 7/89 Space Marine Intro

116 8/89 Epic Battle Damage System
Armored Vehicles ? Epic Imperial Vehicles
Gargants ? Ork Gargants & Vehicles

117 9/89 Codex Titanticus

120 12/89 War Griffons Titan color scheme
War Machines ? Epic Vehicles

123 3/90 War Machines ? Vehicles

124 4/90 Epic Imperial Guard
Epic Ork Battlewagons

125 5/90 Epic Imperial Guard ? Army List

126 6/90 Epic Space Marine ? Army List
Epic Knights

127 7/90 Epic Squats ? Army List

128 8/90 Epic Orks ? Army List

130 10/90 Praetorians ? Capitol Imperialis & Hellbore
Realm of Chaos ? Chaos Armies

131 11/90 Epic Realm of Chaos 1 ? Army List

132 12/90 Epic Realm of Chaos 2 ? Army List

133 1/91 New Warlord Titan Weapons and Equipment

136 4/91 An Epic Battle (Battle Report) ? Space Marines vs. Orks

--- Space Marine, 2nd edition ---
141 10/91 The Redesigned Epic Space Marine

142 11/91 Painting Epic Armies
Imperial Titan Weapons
Reaver & Gargant Cards

143 12/91 Stompers! ? New Units ? Warbosses, Stompers, Ork Dreadnoughts, Chaos Androids,
Wraithguard, Eldar Dreadnoughts, Shokk Attack Guns, Mole Mortars, Space Marine Dreadnoughts, Grey Knights, Chaos Dreadnoughts Alaitoc vs. Blood Angels (Battle Report) ? Blood Angels vs. Alaitoc Eldar Imperial Guard Color Schemes
Gorgon Assault Company ? Gorgons, Shadow Swords, Baneblades, Storm Hammers

144 1/92 Assault! ? Epic Assault Scenarios, Fortification cards, Entrenchments, Razorwire,Bunkers, Minefields, Strongholds Epic Modeling Workshop Epic Forces ? New Units ? Warp Hunters, Wave Serpents, Deathstalker Prism
Cannons, Hellbores, Leviathans, Drop Pods, Moles, Termites
Space Marine ? New Titans ? Phantom Titans, Slasher Gargants, Warhound Titans

147 4/92 Avatar & War Walker ? New Units
Eldar Craftworld Color Schemes Epic White Dwarf Index.doc Page 2 of 4 02/18/01

148 5/92 Daemons, Renegades

149 6/92 Epic Ork Vehicles ? New Units ? Spleenrippas, Nobz Warbikes, Braincrushas,Skullhammas, Gibletgrindas,Bonecrunchas, Bonebreakas, Bowelburnas,
Gobsmashas

150 7/92 Epic Ork Vehicles ? New Units ? Scorchers, Hop Splats, Wartracks, Squig Katapults,Squiggoths, Pulsa Rokkits

151 8/92 Mekboyz & Squats ? New Units ? Land Trains, Land Train Cars, Iron Eagle
Gyrocopters, Dragsters, Speedstas, Bubble Chukka Speedstas, Lifta Droppa Speedstas

152 9/92 Commissar Yarrick and Warlord Ghazghkill Mag uruk Thraka ? New Units

154 11/92 The Battle for Golgotha (Battle Report) ? Orks vs. Squats

156 1/93 Chaos at Kadavah (Battle Report) ? Chaos vs. Blood Angels

158 3/93 Ragnar Blackmane, Njal Storm Caller & Ulrik the Slayer in Space Marine ? New Units

159 4/93 Daemon Engines of Tzeentch ? New Units ? Silver Towers, Doom Wings, Fire Lords

160 5/93 The Assault on Barbarius (Battle Report) ? Imperial Guard vs. Eldar Alaitoc

161 6/93 Gargants ? New Titans ? Great Gargants

164 9/93 Daemon Engines of Khorne ? New Units
Banelord, Chaos Titan of Khorne ? New Titan

165 10/93 Imperial Stormblade ? New Unit

168 1/94 Blood Bath on Centius Prime (Battle Report) ? Chaos vs. Orks

170 3/94 Squat Cyclops ? New Unit Epic Eldar Armies ? Eldar Tactics

171 4/94 Chaos Armies ? Chaos Tactics

172 5/94 Fire & Blood ? Scenarios

173 6/94 Questions & Answers

175 8/94 Questions & Answers 2

177 10/94 Know Your Foe ? Epic Tactics

--- Space Marine, 2nd edition / Titan Legions (Epic) ---

178 11/94 Into the Maelstrom ? Titan Legions Intro
The Titan Legions ? History of the Titan Legions

179 12/94 Titan Legions ? Titan Legions Models Inferno (Battle Report) ? Space Marines vs. Orks

180 1/95 Fists of Death ? Titan Legions Tactics

181 2/95 Imperator ? Imperator Tactics Razorbacks ? New Unit ? Razorbacks

182 3/95 Waaagh Da Orks ? Mega Gargant Tactics
Knight Households ? New Units ? Knight Errant and Knight Lancer Households

183 4/95 Epic Hive War ? Tyranids Supplement

184 5/95 Abomination (Battle Report) ? Imperial Guard vs. Tyranids

185 6/95 Chimera Assault! ? New Units ? Chimeraxes, Chimedons, Chimerros

186 7/95 Eldar Revenant Scout Titans ? New Unit ? Revenant Scout Titans

187 8/95 Imperial Air Power ? New Units ? Thunderbolts, Marauders

188 9/95 Plague Engines of Nurgle ? New Units ? Plague Towers, Contagions Stomp an Smash (Battle Report) ? Imperial Guard vs. Orks

189 10/95 Irresistible Onslaught ? Hierodule and Hierophant Tactics

190 11/95 Slaanesh War Machines ? New Units ? Hell-Striders, Hell-Scourges, Hell-Knights, Subjugators, Questors

191 12/95 Ordinatus ? New Units ? Ordinatus Golgothas, Ordinatus Armageddons, Ordinatus Mars

192 1/96 Death From Above ? Flyer Tactics Breakout (Battle Report) ? Eldar vs. Chaos

193 2/96 Unsung Heroes ? Infantry Tactics

194 3/96 Modeling Workshop ? Chaos Titan
Abominatus ? New Unit ? Khorne Imperator Titan
Tyranid Assault ? Tyranid Tactics

195 4/96 Ancient Writings ? Epic Scenarios Epic White Dwarf Index.doc Page 3 of 4 02/18/01

196 5/96 Mission Briefing ? Mission Objective Counters
Questions & Answers

197 6/96 Reign of Fire (Battle Report) ? Blood Angels vs. Orks

198 7/96 Honor & Glory ? New Units ? Scythes of the Emperor Terminator Detachment,Kreuger?s Heroes Leman Russ Squadron, Blood Slaughterers Chaos Space Marines, Catachan Devils Imperial Guard Tactical Company

--- Epic 40,000 ---
206 3/97 Epic 40,000 Preview ? New Miniatures

207 4/97 Epic 40,000 Preview ? New Rules

208 5/97 Epic is Here ? Epic 40,000 Intro Art Attack! ? Epic Artwork Gogard?s Last Stand (Battle Report) ? Orks vs. Imperial Fists

209 6/97 Ready for Battle ? Choosing Detachments
For the Emperor! ? Imperium Tactics Modeling Workshop ? Creating Epic Terrain

210 7/97 Supreme Warriors ? New Units ? Blood Angel, Dark Angel, Space Wolf, and White Scar detachments Emperor?s Tarot ? Imperium Fate Cards

211 8/97 Epic Morale Tracker ? Punch out morale tracker
Waaagh! 'Ere Come Da Orks ? Ork Tactics Green Tide Rising (Battle Report) ? Orks vs. Space Marines

212 9/97 Green Is Meaner ? Painting Orks Modeling Workshop ? Creating Epic Terrain

214 11/97 Attack of the Tyranids ? Tyranid Tactics
Path of the Eldar ? Eldar Tactics The Hand of Fate ? Fate cards for Chaos, Eldar, Orks, and Tyranids Air Superiority ? Flyer Tactics

215 12/97 Chambers of the Horned Rat ? Epic Campaign System Are You Experienced? ? Epic Experience System
The Eternal Crusade ? Campaign Flak Attack! ? New flak units for Space Marines

216 1/98 The Imperial Guard ? Imperial Guard Tactics
The Scourging of Lammas (Battle Report) ? Eldar vs. Imperium
How to Paint Tanks ? Imperial Guard Painting Tips

217 2/98 Tactica Imperialis ? Rapid Assault, Imperial Armor, and Warlord Arming Tactics

218 3/98 The Coming of the Great Devourer ? Campaign ? Tyranids vs. Eldar and Imperium

224 9/98 Lords of Battle ? Titan tactics Epic White Dwarf Index.doc Page 4 of 4 02/18/01

The following are Heavy Metal articles that included Epic units.

Issue Date Description
108 12/88 Heavy Metal
121 1/90 Heavy Metal
122 2/90 Heavy Metal
143 11/91 Heavy Metal
144 12/91 Heavy Metal
145 1/92 Heavy Metal
150 6/92 Heavy Metal
151 7/92 Heavy Metal
153 9/92 Heavy Metal
181 1/95 Heavy Metal
182 2/95 Heavy Metal
183 3/95 Heavy Metal
184 4/95 Heavy Metal
186 6/95 Heavy Metal
187 7/95 Heavy Metal
190 10/95 Heavy Metal

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Post subject: Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:08 pm

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Hi!

Cybershadow, it occured to me these indexes should be pinned on the forums somewhere since the question pertaining them come up quite often.

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MaksimSmelchak

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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:20 pm

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Primarch,

The Citadel Jounal index would make a good pinned item.

Some posts ralting to the Iron Eagle question can also be found on this thread:

Topic: New Miniatures! Jervis Announcement on E-A Forums

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primarch

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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:27 pm

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Hi!

Thanks for the link!

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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:05 am

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Primarch, you have everything from the CJs that I have, based on that list ...

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primarch

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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:10 pm

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Hi!

No! That list is just an index I have for reference, I dont have any CJ's since we incorporated most of those rules into netepic and I never had a reason to keep them.

Wish I had.

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CyberShadow

Post subject: Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:07 pm

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Right. Well, I have had this sitting around for a while, but I decided to put together some rules and ideas for campaign/warbands in EpicA (believe it or not, inspired by the recent Path to Glory for Fantasy and the old Rogue Trader/Relm of Chaos books).

Anyway, the rules are here:

Crucible of Champions

I would be really interested in hearing what you guys think about these rules. They are not finished yet, and only the section for creating the warband, champion, retinue and followers are online. The rest will follow. This will include how to fight with the warbands, units which do not survive, new followers, rewards and gifts for the champions and his path to a Daemon Prince or Chaos Spawn - and the subsequent rise of a new champion.

Right now, I would like to hear about:

- Most interestingly for me, I would like to hear about any warbands that you guys roll up and put together. I cant even imagine all the possibilities that are present, so a few 'typical examples' would be great. It is difficult to get this balanced, but also variable! Even if you dont want to play this system, roll up a warband and let me know what you get.

- Any 'power combinations' that are potentially possible given the random tables - although this is less of a problem as the player actually has little control over the results.

- Any thoughts or comments about the system generally. It will obviously be linked to the current Chaos force list, and so could change as this does, but I dont expect the overall rules to change a lot.

Thanks. So, to start off, here is the warband that I rolled as a part of the rules set themselves. Unfortunately, the warband came out quite well, so I will be generating a second one later to illustrate the variation what can be achieved:

Champion and Retinue:
Plyshtarin - Chaos Marine Champion, with the Leader, First Strike and Immune to Panic abilities
Eight Chaos Marine Units
Five Chaos Rhino transports

Alpha Formation:
Six Noise Marine units
Three Slaanesh Rhino transport vehicles
Eight Chaos Marine Dreadnoughts

Beta Formation:
One Chaos Traitor Arch Heretic unit
Eleven Chaos Traitor units
Seven Big Mutants

Gamma Formation:
Five Chaos Marine Bike units

Zero mutation points, and ten advancement points.

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nealhunt

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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 8:18 pm

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I'm eager to see the progression tables for mutations and adding new units, as well as how you intend for casualties to come back over the course of a campaign.

I rolled up 7 or 8 warbands and calculated rough points just for comparison purposes. It seems most come out a bit over a thousand points, mostly the 1100 to 1300 range. The highest one I rolled was about 1600, and the lowest was a bit under 1000.

It seemed as if an awful lot of CSMs forgot to bring their rhinos, though. I'd like to see the die range for that expanded.

Based on the training scenarios I've done, I'd say that's a 30-45 minute game.

It certainly seems as if it would be fun to run a leage/campaign off of it. If I could convince some of my friends, I would probably even give them enough figs to build a warband.

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CyberShadow

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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:56 pm

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That is very interetsing, thanks. I am very pleased that the warbands generated end up at a fairly focussed points value, as a 1000 point against a 1600 point game would not be too biased.

As for the issue of transports, I will look at this again. Thanks for your analysis. Are there any details available of a warband or two that you generated?

I will get the next parts of this online as soon as I can. Thanks again.

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