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CyberShadow	Post subject: V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:08 pm
Swarm Tyrant Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:22 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Singapore	OK, two issues. If I had closed this thread with the initial 'print it' demand then I could ignore all discussion since page ten of this thread. Would it have been better to close this on page ten and ignore the last eight pages? Development will continue. At times it will slow down. At others it will proceed faster. Discussion is deliberately left open to give people time to reflect on stats and comments made. I have a busy life, but this EA Tau list is one of my absolute top wargaming priorities. Now, as for the stats... Formation - I would like to keep this at 1-2 in a formation. I think that there is no real need to force a formation of two here and it would limit flexibility too much and restrict the formation to larger games only. Bulk buying - I have been thinking about this a lot. Currently, I am not convinvced that there is a requirement for giving a discount for taking two in a formation. As far as I can see, it is both a benefit and a liability. A formation of two degrades better than two single formations, but the enemy ris able to target both units in a single attack salvo. Therefore, I think that we should keep the cost as a linear increase with no discount for the time being. If the light of playtesting shows that two units are less effective, I would be happy to re-evaluate this. Thanks. _________________ https://www.cybershadow.ninja - A brief look into my twisted world, including wargames and beyond. https://www.net-armageddon.org - The official NetEA (Epic Armageddon) site and resource.
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The_Real_Chris	Post subject: V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:07 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:45 pm Posts: 8139 Location: London	A point I have found in all the other lists with linear priced WE other than support slots there is no reason to mass them. The activation advantage/extra bm firing is one (co-ord fire cancels the possible alpha strike advantage of both together). Survivability is the same as to break both is as hard to break two singles, and rally wise eggs aren't in one basket. Deathstrike salvo's won't kill both at the same time. If one is taking fire the other doesn't suffer an activation modifier. _________________ If using E-Bay use this link to support Tac Com! 'Abolish red trousers?! Never! Red trousers are France!' – Eugene Etienne, War Minister, 1913 "Gentlemen, we may not make history tomorrow, but we shall certainly change the geography." General Plumer, 191x
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Tactica	Post subject: V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:58 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 24 Mar. 2006 (14:07)) A point I have found in all the other lists with linear priced WE other than support slots there is no reason to mass them. Discussion purposes, I'll second the quoted. From a progression perspective, I'm happy to test a linear pointing of units regargless of formation size, pursuant to CS's statement preceding TRC's. Cheers, _________________ Rob

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Tactica

Post subject: V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:05 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241

Tactica attempts to recap Quote (CyberShadow @ 24 Mar. 2006 (13:08)) Formation - I would like to keep this at 1-2 in a formation. Bulk buying - I think that we should keep the cost as a linear increase with no discount for the time being. If the light of playtesting shows that two units are less effective, I would be happy to re-evaluate this. Thanks. Excellent - that's a clear formation size and point direction we can work with. + + + + + + + + + + [Tear here] + + + + + + + + + + + + + + OK, Potential Remaining Issues? ? 1. ?Upgrades: ? ?a. ?0-1 per army - Dragonfish (Tau SC with Deflector Shield) ? ?b. ?Skyray ? ?c. ?Networked Drones ? ?d. Drones ? ?e. Heavy Drones On page 10, CS also gave us a decision on 1. a. One Scorpionfish in the force should be able to take an upgrade of Tau Supreme Commander + Deflector Shields as a command option. I dont think that the Deflector shields should be on the standard Scorp. Therefore, 1. b. - 1. e. need a decision. Perhaps this is simply a design decision for CS when v4.4 is documented. + + + + + + + + + + [Tear here] + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 2. ?Name Change? ? ?a. ?CS stated no name change on page 10... However, since this thing is mentioned by name in IA3, I think that we should stick with it and use this as a guiding principle.

? ? b. ?Again, he stated it on page 12....
As for the name... sorry guys but it needs to stay at Scorpionfish. We dont really have the choice here.
? ? c. Again on page 13, after being challenged by Dysartes with cooberation by Honda...
Thanks for the recon notes, Honda. This does leave the name open for change...

However, I quite like the name 'Scorpionfish'
So it sounds like Scorpionfish is the name.

+ + + + + + + + + + [Tear here] + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

3. ?Other - did I miss something?

If not... then, as per page 10...

Scorpionfish Contingent

A formation consists of one or two Scorpionfish, at 225 points each.

Stats
Type: War Engine
Speed: 25cm
Armour: 5+
CC: 6+
FF: 6+

Variable Munitions Launcher
Either: 4x Tracer Missiles : 75cm : MW6+ : Guided
Or: 6x Seeker Missiles : 75cm : AT6+ : Guided
Or: 6x Submunitions Missiles : 75cm : AP5+ : Guided, Ignore Cover

And: 2x Twin Linked Missile Pod : 45cm : AT4+/AT4+

Notes: Damage Capacity: 3. Critical Hit Effect: The primary munitions store is hit, igniting the payload internally and ripping the vehicle apart from the inside. All units within 5cm suffer a single AP6+/AT6+ hit. Skimmer, Reinforced Armor.

Cheers,