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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica  Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:03 pm |
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Yeah, we want to see huge battles, not a few space marines- we can see pictures of them in our 40k rulebooks.... 
One of my favourite pieces of GW artwork is a black and white piece by John Blanche (...incredible artist  ), it was a huge battle scene, mainly IG.. against Orks I think, really panormic, showing huge lines of Basilisks, a few Leviathans advancing, thousands of troops, titans in the background, and a huge Baneblade right in the foreground...
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 6:15 pm |
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Yeah, I remember that one stormseer. I think it is in the Epic40k rulebook. I want more are like that. I like the one with the line of Shadowswords in camo.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:51 pm |
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..Its quite an old piece, I've seen it in some WDs (about issue 160-odd).... I havn't got the Epic rulebook for reference... 
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 4:54 am |
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Hi!
Hmm..I wonder how muc art really belongs to the artist and how much GW owns. I dont see GW doing anything but "buying" the art, its cheaper for them that way.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 7:10 am |
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Primarch,
Unless an artist is an employee (that changes a lot of things in the USA) a publisher must spell out in the agreement what rights they keep and what the artist keeps. Most publishers will buy an image for "all rights" if they plan on doing reprints or if they plan on having the image used other places (website, CD ROM etc.) but I think you would be shocked how many of the medium to small publishers do not go this way because it is often cheeper to buy the rights for a one time use.
I have worked in textbook publishing and a great deal of that artwork is one time use only. It is cheeper and often less messy from a rights enforcement side of things.
GW may have the artists on staff, but I bet most are free lance artists. I must admit it would be interesting to look at their agreement both the UK version and the USA version. I am sure they would make for interesting reading.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 6:22 pm |
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Dafrca: From what I understand, game companies tend to have pretty tough use rights in their contracts. A friend of mine is Henry Higginbotham, who used to do freelance for White Wolf, and has/had the commissions for the D&D 3rd Ed, and new 3.5 covers. Even taking into account the "unappreciated artist" syndrome, what he describes is pretty much that game companies buy the art and rights slock, stock, and barrel. The "artists releases" you have to send in with freelance stuff tends to support this.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:59 pm |
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neil,
Glad to hear the Gamers have grown up :-)
I helped change the Motor Trend Agreement to a full rights agreement when I worked for Petersen Publishing. For quite some time their freelance agreement only bought "reprint rights" and not "all rights" well guess what happened when we went up on the web or when we tried to create CD Roms...
Well, you can imagine how unhappy the freelancers were.
Anyway, it is an interesting part to any publishing enviroment.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:01 am |
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Hi!
I think for smaller companies the purchase of a "one time use" would be prudent and economical. As for GW, we have seen them recycling images for a while so they probably buy their art "lock, stock and barrel", this way they can use it forever.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:10 am |
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Here's some great news in regards to new miniatures!
This morning Jervis posted the stats for the following:
(1) I. G. Capitol Imperialis (... is an immensely well protected mobile HQ ...)
(2) S.M. Drop Ship (Basically a giant drop pod that can carry tanks ...)
(3) ORK ASSAULT BOAT (new model ? Orky orbital lander)
(4) Colossus (... is a large Imperial Guard orbital lander ...)
+ a couple of other non-War Engine units for I.G. & Orks.
You can read all about here if you're interested:
http://www.specialist-games.com/40kuniv...._ID=950
Sounds like fun!
"CROSSFIRE" - http://www.nucleus.com/~richdesn/Crossfire/cf.html
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:29 am |
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Great News !!! Too bad we'll have to wait months ... or longer to buy'em ! 
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:32 am |
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KrimsonStar,
Thanks for the post!
Shalom,
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:13 am |
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Nice.
Does this mean that other races will get similar items, to keep them competative? I wonder?
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 2:08 pm |
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Hi!
Its good to see new units planned for something other than Imperials, the Tyranids need some updating as well with the addition of newer units.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:04 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 24 2003 June,14:08) | | It's good to see new units planned for someone other than the Imperials. The Tyranids need some updating as well with the addition of newer units. - Primarch |
It sure is good news, but yes, unfortunately we will have to wait some time yet before we can get our collective (figurative & literal) hands on them. ? ?
In regards to the Tyranids, Jervis did mention something about adding "new" units when he 1st released the E-A Tyranid army list, but for these we will undoubtedly have to wait much more patiently.
Oh well, things do seem to be looking up. I'm still pretty curious to see what the new Chaos units he is cooking up will look like...
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:32 pm |
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Nid discussions are in pretty heavy rotation at the E-A Playtest Forum.
I would suspect that in the next month or so, Jerivs will review all of the suggestions/arguments and put out a new list. ?
Among other things, there is a big call for more variety for the 'Nids and Jervis has tentatively agreed to Mycetic spores (iirc).
Heck, just the reorganization of the Tyranid "armor" will probably mean new models.
I really hope Jervis goes for the idea of a Hive Tyrant/Guard on the basic sprue.
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