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Vitamins
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles  Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2003 2:50 am |
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ive finished writing my tau army list for epic armageddon, if anyone is interested in seeing it and subsequently tellingme what they think, email me! ?
bilgedasto@earthlink.net
i didnt mean to put my user name as the subject
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CyberShadow
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2003 6:33 pm |
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Hey, great. Have you tested it yet at all? When it has been given a couple of games, send it over to me and I will see if I can put it on the site. Meanwhile, I would like to see it in its current form.
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Shadow Hunter
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:10 am |
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I'll have a look asap. I haven't any Tau mini's though, so doubt I could test anything out.
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Killed by Death
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:12 pm |
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Now I've been playing Epic Armageddon ever since the game was released some year and a half ago... and it suddenly occurred to me last night that I might have misunderstood some concepts completely altogether!
Weapons stats
First of all when reading the tyranid army list and discussing some weapons stats on the old SG forum one thing became clear as mud... I've tried to explain my confusion in these examples using some weapons I just made up:
4 x Total Plock Gun R:234cm AP 2+
Now this weapon would only fire a single AP2+ right?
The "4 x" is merely describing the amount of weaponry... and the AP2+ is the sum of all those weapons?
Had it been:
4 x Total Plock Gun R:234cm 4x AP 2+
Then it would have fired 4 shots right?
So the land raider only gets a single 4+ shot?
Space Craft:
Now I've never actually used these.. 
But here goes: I don't think the rules clearly states wether a space craft is one use only or if you can use it any turn as long as the opponent isn't using a space craft that turn?!
If I had a kill kroozer in my orks army - could I plan a orbital bombardament at turns 1,2 & 3?!
Army Selection
Been looking through the book trying to find the paragraph stating the rules for the 33% limits in aircraft and war-engine selection?!?! Couldn't find it though! Anybody knows?
Anyway - my question was: Is there a 33% for BOTH of the types or for the types combined?
In other words can your army be combined of 33% WE, 33% Aircraft and 33% troops!?
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wargame_insomniac
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:43 pm |
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| Quote (Killed by Death @ 06 2005 Aug.,18:12) | So the land raider only gets a single 4+ shot?
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Anyway - my question was: Is there a 33% for BOTH of the types or for the types combined?
In other words can your army be combined of 33% WE, 33% Aircraft and 33% troops!? |
Nope- the Land Raider gets 2 AT shots (2*twin-linked lascanon) & 1 AP shot (heavy bolter).
The 33% limit is WE & Engine COMBINED. Thus in 2,700 points game if you take 850 points Warlord Titan than you can have zero aircover.
It forces you to make hard choices in army selection.
Hope that helps
Cheers
James
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Killed by Death
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:57 pm |
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Right, that does help
I mixed up CC and long range weapons... so nevermind that part.
As to the 33% limit:
Phew - that makes more sense... AB got me puzzled!
I still wonder where in the book the limit is mentioned?
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Jaldon
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:41 pm |
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Locations are......
Page 138, under Cost, last sentence
"Up to one third of the points available to the Ork army can be spent on aircraft and Gargants."
Page 134, Last paragraph
"Imperial Navy aircraft, and Titan Legion battle groups may support Steel Legion Imperial Guard Armies. A maximum of up to one third of the points available to the army may be spent on these formations."
Page 130, Last paragraph
"Codex Astartes Space Marine armies may be supported by Imperial Navy aircraft, and Titan Legion battle groups. A maximum of up to one third of the points available to the army may be spent on these formations."
Under further Army lists outside the rule book they are there except for the OGBM and AMTL lists, for obvious reasons.
Jaldon 
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Killed by Death
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:57 pm |
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| Quote (Jaldon @ 06 2005 Aug.,23:41) | Under further Army lists outside the rule book they are there except for the OGBM and AMTL lists, for obvious reasons.
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Thanks for helping out - I know I'm too lazy but I knew somebody would just know it! 
AS for the OGBM that raises a new question which I had completely forgotten wondering about:
Could a OGBM consist of 1 gargant and fliers for rest of the points?
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Jaldon
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:16 am |
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No, aircraft are still limited in the list, however you could get a couple of Gargants, and fliers and sorta get your wish.
However, don't count on winning too many battles cause your gonna have trouble keeping hold of objectives.
Jaldon
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Legion 4
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:04 am |
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Yep ... makes sense to me ...
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Killed by Death
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:21 am |
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Jaldon
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:47 am |
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Spacecraft
Page 53, 4.3.1 Planning Spacecraft Operations, 3rd paragraph
"Spacecraft are set up touching their own side's table edge (choose an edge randomly if your side doesn't hav ea table edge in the scenario being played), facing in any direction. As each spacecraft is set up, the player must declare out loud on which turn th eship will arrive."
This dove tails into.......
Page 53, 4.3.2 Carrying Out The Operation, 2nd paragraph
"After any attacks or landings have taken place, [/U]the spacecraft model is removed."[/I]
Since the model is placed on the table before the start of the battle, and is removed from the table after it carries out it's operations, and has to be on the table, to be available for spacecraft operations, it is gone after the turn it is used in and cannot return.
Well, that's the way I see it anyways 
Jaldon
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Post subject: 33% rules, x times weapons in profiles Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:29 am |
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Sure that makes sense. I don't know how I missed that... 
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