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Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts |
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Xavi
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts  Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:08 pm |
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Hello all,
Looking at the E:A rules in more detail I have noted that a lunar class cruiser costs 50 points less than a shadowsword. The shadwosword is a somewhat specialized AT weapon (yeah, I am that smart) and is specialized in dealing with enemy heavies as a consequence. It has the drawback that it can be shot back ad has a limited range, while the lunar cannot be shot back and has unlimited range. This got me wondering if this, coupled with the ability of the lunar to place a large barrage (even if only 3BP strong) in a point of the table, would mean that a lunar is better on the battlefield that a SINGLE shadowsword. It costs less points, so I was wondering if I am correct. At least this seems so to me 
Seeing this, it would seem that if you were planning on using a single titan killer the shadowsword is less efficient than the lunar cruiser. I suppose other armies get similar combinations. Am I right here? Is the lunar a better titan killer than a single shadwosword for less points?
Health and sixes,
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Warmaster Nice
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:31 pm |
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Spacecaft can be pretty tricky. First of all you have to declare whch turn it shows up on the table. If you're unlucky it will not show up until the very end of the battle when it is too late to make a difference. The advantage of the shadowsword is, that theoretically it is capable of shooting every turn.
that said the large barrage template and usually pretty high firepower of orbital bombardments makes then very usefull in many situations.
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CyberShadow
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:13 am |
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I rarely use space craft, and I am certainly no expert, but that has never stopped me having an opinion in the past!  Personally, I would take the ShadowSword. The Lunar gets to fire only once during the game, and can be seen off by other space craft. Also, you have a limited control of exactly where it appears. If it gets there too late, you may find your own troops caught in the blast as well!
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Serps
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:42 am |
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The Shadowsword has the option to overwatch, and usually gets to fire twice (or 3 times, if the enemy doesn't blow it up). The Lunar gets to fire once, and gets a MW barrage attack once as well, but can never cede victory points.
I'd get the Lunar over the Shadowsword for the same reason you'd pick a Marauder squadron over an artillery battery: it can't get picked off before it has a chance to fire. (I know that playing the Guard forces you to think defensively like this, because it's rare that I get to go first, especially vs teleporting terminators and thunderhawking assault troops, who usually inflict a heavy tolll)
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QuintAan
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:18 pm |
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In response to Al posting his list over here, I thought I would share my tournament list.
Infantry Platoon #1
8 marines including Icon and Chaos Lord, 3 Defilers
= 555pts
Infantry Platoon #2
8 marines including Icon and Chaos Lord, 6 Rhinos
= 390 pts
Scout Formation
4 Scout Marines, 2 Rhinos
= 170 pts
Bike Formation
8 Bikes with Chaos Lord, 1 Sacrifice
= 325 pts
Armoured Formation
6 Predators
= 300 pts
Super Heavy Formation
2 Deciamtors
= 450 pts
Command Formation
5 Chosen Terminators with Chaos Warlord, 3 Obliterators
= 550 pts
Air Support
2 Helltalons
= 250 pts
== 2990 pts
Based on BL3.4 of course. I used a 2700 pt list very similar against marines to decent success, so I figured it deserved a chance to try it again. Most likely opponents are Orks and Imperial Guard on sunday, although marines and Eldar remain possibilities.
Comments welcome.
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Tas
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:43 pm |
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Interesting list, particularly as Im developing my own Chaos force right now.
You dont seem to have many extra sacrifices in there - which would considerably bolster you CC ability once you get in.
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QuintAan
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:57 pm |
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I'm not a Daemon kind of guy. I view my marines as more of renegades than as deranged lunatics. Regardless, if I had something else to spend the 25pts on I'd get rid of the Sacrifice on the bikes.
Hmmm... with the 10 extra points and the points from the sacrifice I could add a marine stand to my Defiler unit I suppose. Meh, not a big deal.
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Tas
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:58 pm |
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The daemons will add a HUGE punch to your close assaults, but I understand your reasoning.
That extra marine stand can make all the differnce, as they dot have TSKNF...
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:34 pm |
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Infantry Platoon #1
8 marines including Icon and Chaos Lord, 3 Defilers
= 555pts
Adding rhinos would keep your Defilers safe from AT shots for a while
Infantry Platoon #2
8 marines including Icon and Chaos Lord, 6 Rhinos
= 390 pts
does the Icon and the Lord get their own rhino?
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QuintAan
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Post subject: Army List Review - Chaos 3000 pts Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:52 pm |
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The icon and Lord are character upgrades of the marine stands. And it should only be 4 rhinos.... crap! I'm paying too much! Back to the drawing board, thanks Al.
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