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Army List Review - Chaos 4000 pts
QuintAan
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:10 pm 
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He usually fields two detachments of Nightspinners, and I have been prompted in mid game to declare my hatred of them. :D
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:49 am 
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I'd drop a Scout, get one more Chosen, and an Obl in the Chosen formation, then teleport the whole bunch near one of the VS formations. If it gets in ouch!

Otherwise PG's suggestions are good, and he is correct about A/C as they pertain to effectiveness against CSM. Dis weapons are a bigger threat.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:40 pm 
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Mua ha ha ha! Prepare for the end, Bill!

Actually I don't know what all the hype is about Eldar Aircraft, to be honest. Mine suck, I usually get them blown sky high (no pun intended) before they do anything worthwhile... But then of course I seldom excercise any control when it comes to juicy units like that. :p

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The_Real_Chris
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:33 am 
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I'm out of touch with the CSM development but if you can do it max out on individual decimators (those warengines with the 3BP, MW, Ignore Cover guns) and use the experimental artillary rules (i.e MW fire uses the AP table for all targets).
They will push up your activations, make up for the fact you have decided to forgo the free fearless troops (well, slightly make it for their lack) and slaughter most eldar infantry and vehicles with the barrage MW attack. Happily double everywhere until you get a chance to sustain and if you break strongly consider going towards the enemy (unless you are near death in which case go and hide :) ).

Interesting list incidentally. It raises the question of whether an undivided black legion should be as good as one with cult marines.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:03 pm 
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Chris, that option is no longer as appealing. 3.5 changes, taken from Zac?s blog:

Changes include

Limit of four upgrades per formation

CSM Retinue down to 8 CSM units

Cult Marines now an upgrade

0-2 limit on Assault Co

Forlorn Hope only CSM units

Price decrease for CSM Retinue

Summoning Changes (extensive and based on Neal and Audrey's Daemon Pack rules)

Helltalon now 2BP with no Ignore Cover

Critical Changes to Titans

Strategy roll of 6 adds 1D3 daemons, roll of 1 loses 1D6 daemons

IB no longer Inspiring

Champion now 2D3 Augment Summoning

Daemon Prince is now Fearless

Limit of one GD per faction on the table at any one time


So a maximum of 2 lone Decimators.

No "Free Fearless" troops.

Retinue price decrease is 280->275 points.

Helltalons at 300 w/o Ignore Cover

Summoning, when it is resolved, will definitely be more exepensive than before, by a factor of 2x or 3x IMO.

All said and done, yours and others concerns are taken seriously and the problems are adressed.


As to Eldar Aircraft: I witnessed a major air brawl lately, 2xNightwings vs. hordes of Fighta-Bommers (12?), and the orks good slaughtered badly. Total carnage. Nothing wrong with that, just my impression that the power of Eldar air should not be underestimated.

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QuintAan
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:07 pm 
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PLayed the game last night. He won after three turns by a score of 2-0 (Break their spirit and Take and Hold goals). My inexperience caught up to me this time as I felt like I didn't have a hold on the game from turn 1.
Full battle report with pictures later in the week.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:17 am 
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Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 12 2005 July,23:33)
I'm out of touch with the CSM development but if you can do it max out on individual decimators (those warengines with the 3BP, MW, Ignore Cover guns) and use the experimental artillary rules (i.e MW fire uses the AP table for all targets).

I wouldn't max out on them if only because they will be limited in the next version of the list.

That was in the Recommendations topic from the old Forum remember Chris?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:50 am 
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Sorry PG, I had to dissapear for about a month before the end of the forum and so missed out on any developments therein. The changes certainly appear wide ranging and interesting leading to I think so complete re-evaluation of the list through playtesting. Can't wait to see the next version of the list, hope it coincides with my availible game time!

I think though for old times sake I'd still take the 2 single decimators :)

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You can still see the topic here

http://www.specialist-games.com/epic/fo ... IC_ID=6644

You'll still be able to take two Decimator formations but that Decimator heavy army you built is no longer possible.

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