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Next batch of E:A models is up for pre-order

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 3:54 am 
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For those of you who are interested you can now download the first draft of the Tyranid army list for E:A.

They've been tinkering with thier website, so here's the newest address:

http://www.specialist-games.com/epic40k ... secure.asp

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 9:21 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 6:33 pm 
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Hi guys,

I have been giving the whole cost of GW minis some thought but I realized the other day how confusing GW's prices are.

When it comes right down to it, plastic is freakin cheap as hell, and sometimes the packaging can cost more that the contents (take food for example). ?Another cost increase is that these are manufactured and packaged in the US and UK, and not Taiwan or something. ?That alone can be a huge factor.

Then I realized something when I was thinking about buying Warhammer Fantasy. ?I am NOT paying full price, so I was hunting around for a deal, I was checking on what came in the box, and was kind of satisfied with the minis I was going to get.

I also checked into how I could expand on the Orcs and Empire armies, and couldn't believe it, although I should have expected it, when I found the Empire Regiments box set game with 8 hand gunners and 8 spearmen, WHEN YOU NEED AT LEAST 10 TO FORM THEIR OWN REGIMENTS! Wow, that's great.

Anyway, if you look at the contents in the Warhammer Fantasy set and break down what it would cost to get the contents individually, it is amazing:

Rulebook (At least $30 by itself)
Empire General (At least $10)
Two Empire Regiments (16 Handgunners, 16 Spearmen - $50 total)
Cannon ($20)
Ork Warboss (At least $10)
Ork Chariot ($25)
Ork Arrer Boys (At least $30)
Ork Boyz ($30)

Add a few more bucks for a box, templates, dice, terrain, and measuring sticks- actually I'll leave that out, so the total comes to about $205 USD. GW sells the Warhammer box set for $75.

GW DOES NOT GIVE OUT GREAT PRICE DEALS. ?As a matter of fact, a new army deal is simply the box set plus the army book, with no percentage off for getting everything bundled.

Now, is GW bending itself over and taking it in the ass just to get us into the hobby, or are they making a profit off of the box set as well? I can't imagine that there isn't some profit off of the sale of the box set, as it would really be stupid not to do that. ?Even if it were a small profit, it doesn't seem like GW to give great discounts.

So that leaves me to believe that GW poorly manages costs of operating, individual box sets are extremely expensive to produce, and maybe they are selling the main box set as a way to promote the sale of other items (expecting that you will buy a lot more), or they are just screwing us.

I mean, are 16 plastic Dark Eldar Warriors really worth $30? ?????? NO. ?So I buy them 20 of them for $11 on ebay. :p

That is my take on it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:16 pm 
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Hi!

In my view the biggest "beef" I have with GW's pricing schemes is that sometimes prices are "game" related instead of the actual amount of raw resources or sculpting work involved in the miniatures you get in a blister.

For example, I remeber that a blister of 4 SM attack bikes cost the same as, say, a blister of 3 metal falcons. When you could probably melt the 4 attack bikes and make ONE metal falcon. Absurd.

When I do buy retail (almost never), I never mind the price as long as the "weight" of the product seems comensurate. I remember Dream Pod9's line of minis when they were the larger scale and I bought several of their real large heavy robots for use as Slann titans. They cost around 30-35 bucks, but those things are so damn big and heavy you could actually kill somebody with them. I my view worth every penny.

If I can get that same value from GW, I would not mind thier prices. Their plastics are, however, ridiculously priced, Viod is releasing 50 figures for 50 bucks and the warzone boxed set when it was out gave you EIGHTY figs, the rules and extras for 70 dollars. The quality is about the same (regardless of what GW seems to beleive regarding their quality), so they are indeed too pricy.

All this as it pertains to epic, will be an interesting thing to see, since, they are offering redone plastics for infantry, but we need to see what the price will be. If they offer sprues at 10 dollars like they did during the epic40k fiasco, then they do epic gamers no favors. If they can maintain them for 3.50 or less, then they are in business.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:45 am 
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Quote (Gandalf the Grey @ 03 2003 June,18:33)
Someone said earlier in this thread

When it comes right down to it, plastic is freakin cheap as hell, and sometimes the packaging can cost more that the contents (take food for example). ?Another cost increase is that these are manufactured and packaged in the US and UK, and not Taiwan or something. ?That alone can be a huge factor.

Hi I feel I have to comment on this thread. Plastic material is relatively cheap. However In this case the controlling factor is not the material price but the casting method. I feel qualified to comment because I was production manager for a large toy company specialising in metal diecasting and plastic injection moulding for many years. The problem is that you cannot effectively pour plastics the properties of the material will not allow you to do it . The only way to effectively cast plastic is injection moulding at high pressures in heated moulds, which if you want highly detailed with undercuts etc means multipart sliding moulds. These do not come cheap either in manufacture, design or working life. the price is also affected by the high quality plastic that GW use. polythene, the soft bendy plastic that many manufacturers use ie Airfix and ESCI is much easier to cast  We as a company would not touch a product with a bargepole unless sales predictions began at a minimum of 10,000 shots. As the size of the castings gets smaller and finer the costs escalate as extracting the air and designing the fill of the mould becomes technically difficult.Based on my experience I would say that to convince GW to refurbish the existing moulds Jervis has done a great job. As to new figures he will be hard pushed to justify the expenditure required to convince GW to produce in plastic. The developement costs of metal moulds are way lower and production runs much smaller. the other side of the coin is material is more expensive. There is no "easy" way.  

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Cheers Bob for that, yeah one of the things I noticed when starting 40k was the difference in the plastic- it seemed tougher.....

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Regarding what Primarch said:

In my view the biggest "beef" I have with GW's pricing schemes is that sometimes prices are "game" related instead of the actual amount of raw resources or sculpting work involved in the miniatures you get in a blister.


Yes, I know what you mean, and sometimes it is ridiculous- single special characters for 40k for ?9, but I can understand the logic sometimes- for example, the new Chaos Obliterrators, absoloutly superb models, sure they are expensive, but not many will be sold- not every Chaos general will want them, and even then they may only get one or two..... :-:

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Many thanks, old bean!

Work commitments had made it impossible to participate in the initial testing and I didn't think they would be interested in a report that was based on version 1.0 of the rules.......

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Thanks for the information!

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Does anyone know if EpicA will have some kind of rules for walls and fortifications such as E40k did in Firepower issue 4?  I am curious, because I have a number of wall, gatehouse, tower, and fortification pieces that I constructed, and would like to use them.

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The E-A rules list Fortifications, Buildings, Ruins & rubble on the Terrain Effects Chart. ? All the pieces of terrain you mentioned I have and from what I see you should have no problem using them, in any rule system ... :) ? I also have all the issues of Firepower, so I know of what you speak.

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Hi!

Siege scenarios are one of those aspects of epic gaming I enjoy the most and have collected a lot of pieces of terrain because of it. I hope Epic A can make detailed rules for such warfare.

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There are a couple of fan suggested rules over on the playtesres forum, and one of the EoT scenario had special rules for hardened bunkers and weapons platforms too.

Hope that helps!

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A couple of the training scenarios also include stat lines for bunkers.

I can already see a consolidated set of fortification rules being in Epic Mag, and probably in the first "Annual."

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