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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:53 am 
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I havent actually got any of the models since the release of EA.

You guys are making me think twice about ordering, especially with the extra postage - is it really that bad?  And if so, why havent we all been screaming at GW Customer Service? ???

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:29 am 
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Quote (dafrca @ 19 2004 Oct.,04:47)
Thanks, maybe I will have better luck on the next buy. ?:;):

I will say, I agree the storm troopers left a lot to be desired. I think my Siege Troops will have to just use some proxies and some of the old school minis.

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Its true sadly.  I was really excited about the ST's, especially after seeing the close up pics on tuffskulls site.

I was disapointed when they arrived.  I'd say out of the blisters I got, about 1/3rd were up to standard, 1/3rd were   just OK after work with a knife and a file on their right legs, and the last 1/3rd were fit only for being melted down.

Hopefully FW will release some decent Storm Troopers to go with their Grey Knights stuff, as is rumoured

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:34 am 
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Quote (Tas @ 19 2004 Oct.,10:53)
You guys are making me think twice about ordering, especially with the extra postage - is it really that bad? ?

No, its not that bad in my experience.  The only things I'd say you should avoid are the Leman Russ Company set, the Chimera blister and the Stormtrooper blister.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:40 pm 
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The funny thing is that the actual winner in recent epic releases is FW. Good models at a good price.

I never thought I'd say that about FW prices, but it seems to be getter truer and truer....

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:41 pm 
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Yeah, and Ebay....prices higher and higher!!  :D

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Quote (primarch @ 19 2004 Oct.,06:40)
The funny thing is that the actual winner in recent epic releases is FW. Good models at a good price.

I never thought I'd say that about FW prices, but it seems to be getter truer and truer....

Yep, FW is looking more and more like the choice, even with cross atlantic shipment.

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Quote (iblisdrax @ 19 2004 Oct.,06:41)
Yeah, and Ebay....prices higher and higher!! ?:D

As people join in and want to start to play or return to play, and they realize how bad the "new" minis are, they will try and get the Old stuff. Up go the prices.  :;):

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You guys are making me think twice about ordering, especially with the extra postage - is it really that bad? ?

No, its not that bad in my experience. ?The only things I'd say you should avoid are the Leman Russ Company set, the Chimera blister and the Stormtrooper blister.

Rob

My Stormtroopers look like they were done by amatures, both Chimera Bliasters look like you would think recast knock-offs would look like. The Landraider had excess metal that obscured details. The Land Speeders looked good except for the mold lines. Vultures had some warp that might have been post mold damage. The Rhinos were Ok, except one was a miscast. The Marine Lander was nice, a pain to put together, but nice. The Leman Russ Company was "OK" but nothing to write home about.

Look, the bottom line is GW has gone with poorer QC and clearly went with the lower budget on this round.

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My Stormtroopers look like they were done by amatures


I'm not sure what the problem with the ST's is, as the resin masters looked really nice.

I thought it could be that the detail doesn't come out so well on such small figs using metal, but then I got the baran troopers and they look very nice, so it can't be that. ?Must be a specific mold problem.

The Marine Lander was nice, a pain to put together, but nice.


A pain to put together, are you sure? ?The marine lander is designed to be easy to fit together, whoever designed it is quite clearly a genius. ?The two I have both went together very easily. ?

Look, the bottom line is GW has gone with poorer QC and clearly went with the lower budget on this round.


Yeah, QC should definetly be improved, mainly on the older redone stuff. ?

The budget can't be helped though, Jervis made it quite clear that they are operating on a very small budget as it is all the finance people will let them have, and can only do a limited number of things.

At least they got good sculptors to do the new stuff.

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The sculptors are great but even they are probably paid by the hour. This means that the detail on some of the miniatures aren't as great as it could be. As anybody who does commisioned work will tell you, you will know how much you'll be paid for a certain job. Then you judge how much time you will be spending on the project vs. how much you have to be paid by the hour for the comission to pay of.
I suspect that some of the minis (Death Koptas in particular) are pretty quick pieces of work. Naturally GW is spending more money on the large minis such as Titans and the Marine Lander: These are "prestige models" but small "insignificant" models don't need to be as well made.

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I havent had time to read the whole of this thread, so forgive me if I'm off the mark, but I'd like to make a couple of comments:

The Stormtrooper masters were gorgeous models. I cant remember if I did on here, but I know I raved about them at my local club & swore to do an army of them regardless of the cost. However, the production castings I've seen so far have all been well below this standard. Still not bad for 6mm, but not the level of the sculpts which truly is a great shame.

I've also noticed that casting has been a problem elsewhere in the range - put an E:A edition Leman Russ next to a E:40K one. They're the same model, but I guess they made a new mould using E:40K prodution pieces rather than making it from the parts of the E:40K Master models. Its been squashed at some stage for the master mould I guess & is a millimeter or two shorter than the E:40K piece, making it look slightly "squat" (no pun intended) to an eye thats used to thousands of Epic 40K models.

I think the shortcomings are definietly in a rushed casting schedule for what is relatively a very small casting operation to deal in the Huge quantities & variety required of it.

It is a real shame as they're definitely suffering for it.

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I think SG should take a breath and seriously evaluate this casting issue. Epic is starting out and needs as much as a "clean" run as possible. If quality slips, it will give the game a bad rep that it certainly doesn't need or deserve.

Some of you UK guys who see Jervis and such should probably pass that info on.

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Or if you are in the US, write a letter to Ernie Baker (In charge of Operations) and Len Sullivan (Brand Marketing) like I am going to do. :;):

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I just KNEW you were going to say that.... :;): :D

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Quote (primarch @ 19 2004 Oct.,17:09)
I just KNEW you were going to say that.... :;): :D

But did you know that I would have names?  :laugh:

I am writing my letters even as you read this post. :;):

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