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Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master?
Warmaster Nice	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 3:19 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:15 pm Posts: 7948 Location: Denmark	On a side note I just been watching the new season Clone Wars cartoons on the SW website. I thought the original season was pretty bad but these five new episodes are longer, has a pretty decent plot and ties in nicely with Episode 3. If you can live with the kiddyish cartoon style I do think that they add a bit more depth to some of the characters. (Like why Grievious has that ridiculous couch all the time) But yeah I agree with the general critique points. I just think it is important to remember that this is Star Wars. While the OT were pretty good story wise they were still no Stanley Kubric or David Lynch films. If you expect real psychological depth and complex plots Star Wars never was the best place to look in the first place. I think Episode 3 does the job reasonably well for what it is. If nothing else the opening space battle is reason enough to see in in the cinema and not on your 22" tv Cheers! _________________ Sofa General Nobody expects the Inquisition!!! http://theepiclounge.wordpress.com/
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primarch	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:02 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! I've been trying to catch that cartoon series. Looks pretty good. They give it bit late here though. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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Legion 4	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:07 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Yes Tas, my buddy got the tickets early and it was crowded but it worked out.  However, we did have to wait 30 + mins. for a seat at chow before that but it gave us time to talk about, life, love(?), hate, etc., etc. ! _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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iblisdrax

Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 11:27 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:54 pm Posts: 3381 Location: First star to the right, and straight on till morning.

But yeah I agree with the general critique points. I just think it is important to remember that this is Star Wars. While the OT were pretty good story wise they were still no Stanley Kubric or David Lynch films. If you expect real psychological depth and complex plots Star Wars never was the best place to look in the first place. Yeah, but if you compare any of the movie with the Empire Strikes Back, they all pale in comparison.  And which one did he have the help of a seasoned writer in Leigh Brackett?  Episode V.  Yes it is Star Wars, but that excuse would only work if the Empire Strikes Back had never been written.  So the series CAN have good writing as well as great action.  Call me a cynic, but I refuse to accept that it cannot have good plot and dialogue simply because "its okay, its Star Wars'. as always, my 2cents, iblisdrax _________________ "Have Leman Reuss, will travel" "Hallo. My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die!"

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stormseer	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 12:31 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:52 pm Posts: 4598 Location: Suffolk, UK.	I quite agree Iblis, E1 & 2 were big dissapointments for me (an obessive who loves all things SW, and has read almost all of the EU novels, many of which are several times better than either film )- E3 sounds pretty good in comparison, but it would have been nice to have a set of decent, well written prequels to the superb original trilogy. Empire was my favourite too... _________________ www.darkrealmminiatures.com
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primarch	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 1:08 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! You can blame the first two episodes lack of quality on Jar-Jar Binks..... ..he needs a few stabs with a light saber..... Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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vanvlak	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:48 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:52 am Posts: 10348 Location: Malta	Then again, I wonder how I would have reacted to A New Hope had it been issued when I was my current age. As a 10 year old I loved it; ok, I guess I still do, and would have done so, had it been issued at my age being 37. I love them - all - because (1) they're good fun (2) there's loads of great hardware. There's a good combining plot behind them, and I enjoyed every outing. And I still wish they'd do more! If I wanted something more intellectually challenging, I'd stick to 'The Watchmen'  ... ...which I like as well. Seriously, I accept them as they are, without demanding the intensity of (e.g.) Schindlers List (which I love too); and in the end, I still manage to thank old Mr. Lucas for the fun ride. _________________ Back from oblivion (again)?
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Mojarn Piett

Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 7:22 am

Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:35 am Posts: 5455 Location: Finland

Episode IV is the movie that set the benchmark for space operas. That must be admitted. However, while I realize the need for heroes to be heroic I simply hate it when the bad guys are made pitifully incompetent . That's why I like The Empire strikes back. It includes an unique scene not seen in any of the movies before or since: fire from stormtroopers forces one of the main heroes to keep his head down and he doesn't manage to kill a single one!!! Compared to episode V where a LEGION of the Emperor's BEST men get their butts kicked by a buch of furballs with stone-age tech. How the h*ck did he ever manage to conguer the galaxy? Perhaps the republic outsourced the army to Jar Jar... Of course, the incompetent bad guys have plagued movies since the beginning so this is definitely not a "Star Wars only" problem. Well, he is the most "loved" movie bad guy.   dafrca Yep. Funny thing he was meant to be just a one-time visitor in Ep IV. But since someone started to talk about novels; Grand Admiral Thrawn is my favorite of all time. Talk about a bad guy who can actually accomplish something.   The "Thrawn trilogy" is something I'd like to see as a movie. _________________ I don't know and I let who care. -J.S.

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iblisdrax	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 7:42 am
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:54 pm Posts: 3381 Location: First star to the right, and straight on till morning.	I realize that without the genius of the first movie, that we wouldnt have any at all, and for that, I thank Lucas.  But what I detest is the fact that his EGO, nothing else, kept anyone else from writing or even helping with the scripts for Ep. I-III.  And it is not too much to ask for a little character delopment.  I'm not asking for brillance here, mind you, just a little better than grade school dialogue would be nice.  And the point about memorable villians is good, I concur wholeheartedly.  The villains in Ep I-III were all (save Palpatine) throwaways, with no backstory and very little life.  Who the #@$@# was that Grievious guy anyway?  And Dooku?  Sigh.  It is as if he was targeting the movie at 10 yr olds (which he was).  The problem with that is that today's kids don't retain much of a passion for stuff like that....too much of the 'okay that's old news, on to the next new thing' syndrome.  Anyway, I'm sorry if I'm ranting on the subject.  Not sorry for suggesting we hire a hitman to do Lucas.  And as my final (maybe) word on the subject, how many times do you think people will go see Ep. III?  Once was enough for me.  But I remember seeing the original trilogy as many times as I could, and wishing I could see it more than that.  Nuff said. my 2cents, iblisdrax _________________ "Have Leman Reuss, will travel" "Hallo. My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die!"
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vanvlak	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:13 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:52 am Posts: 10348 Location: Malta	Quote (iblisdrax @ 23 2005 May,08:42) I?The villains in Ep I-III were all (save Palpatine) throwaways, with no backstory and very little life. ? ?Not sorry for suggesting we hire a hitman to do Lucas. ? And as my final (maybe) word on the subject, how many times do you think people will go see Ep. III? ? Er - I guess I'd go again .....     I'm hardware oriented, anyway... I agree about Palpatine, he's a nice bad guy. And George had better watch out for Feral Orks! _________________ Back from oblivion (again)?
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Warmaster Nice

Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:42 am

Brood Brother Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:15 pm Posts: 7948 Location: Denmark

Er - I guess I'd go again .....      I'm hardware oriented, anyway... Me too. Space Battles and of course the assault on Hoth remains my favourite scenes in the movies. I think George Lucas has really had to walk a fine line with this movie. On one hand there's been a collossal demand for more action scenes in this movie compared to Episode 1&2 and on the other hand his vanity when it comes to writing the script. I compeltely agree that some decent script writers would have been an improvement but I also think that GL would have recieved massive critique if he'd done any less action sequences. There's just too much stuff he had to cram into one movie to make everybody happy. Regarding Grievious: Yeah I thought he was a bit odd when I saw the movie. However I got a sort of "Aha" experience when I saw the new clone Wars cartoons yesterday. They definitely helped to give him a bit more character. Same thing goes for Anakin and Obi Wan to some extent. If those cartoons had been part of the movie I think it would have helped a great deal. Fungus is brewing Iblixdrax -I'll send you some freshly spored Feral Orks ready for combat training right away. We'll give that Lucas fella something to think about _________________ Sofa General Nobody expects the Inquisition!!! http://theepiclounge.wordpress.com/

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Mojarn Piett

Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:40 am

Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:35 am Posts: 5455 Location: Finland

Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 23 2005 May,08:42) Er - I guess I'd go again .....      I'm hardware oriented, anyway... Me too. Space Battles and of course the assault on Hoth remains my favourite scenes in the movies. Ahoy me hearties! Anuvver hardware guy here!   Seriously, I confess the HW & the special effects are what I go to see in Star Wars movies. I still think the Imperial spaceships are the best looking ships ever. Whoever designed them has my eternal admiration, whatever that's worth.. Wish someone would do a model kit of a Super Star Destroyer.   _________________ I don't know and I let who care. -J.S.

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vanvlak	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 12:06 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:52 am Posts: 10348 Location: Malta	Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 23 2005 May,12:40) Wish someone would do a model kit of a Super Star Destroyer. ? They do! See Stormy's link in the  Star Wars 6mm thread in the generalmodelling section! _________________ Back from oblivion (again)?
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wargame_insomniac	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 2:20 pm
Purestrain Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:42 pm Posts: 3305 Location: West Yorkshire, UK	Saw it again last night with a couple of my gaming buddies. Was just too much to take all in first time, especially the opening space battle and the later land battle on Kashykk. I agree with everyone who has commented on George not being the greatest director in the world. Episodes I-III would have been better if he had produced and come up with overall concepts, but left someone with better grasp of dialogue to direct. BUT none of us went to see Episodes I-III for the dialogue/love story. And in terms of action scenes and hardware, Revenge delivered for me. It was great popcorn fodder and I will definitely get the DVD to watch again. One of my friends is a Star Wars nut and has read most of the books. He spoke very highly of the animated Clone wars series- apparently it helps flesh out the backstory and covers the period between Episode II & III. I definitely want to see this series to pick up more about the character of General Grevious. Can't wait for the next Wotc release of SW Minis!! Cheers James _________________ My TOEG- Blood Angels and Deathbolts My Painting Blog- Evil Sunz, Goffs My Epic trades list
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primarch	Post subject: Star Wars: What is thy bidding Master? Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 2:28 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! Well its all about control (as things involving money usually are). Unlike Spielberg who directs many hit movies GL only has Star Wars and isnt about to give up his choke hold. Also, from a financial point of view the money made on the movie is peanuts. Its the merchandising and lisencing where the money is at. He's produced billions over the years from that alone. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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