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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:09 pm 
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Just a quick bit of advice needed when using ink wash's on your models.

Here's the problem.

I am painting up my IG after desiding on a camo scheme that i dont mind painting and is fairly quick. Now i have challenged myself here a little in that i am painting the whole army in one go (well almost). So i have a large number of vehicles all lined up ready to paint one after the other. :oo

My test model was painted 'Karki' base colour over a white undercoat, with a 'catachan green' camo pattern with the odd 'camoflauge green' splodge here and there painted over the hull. Then to bring out the detail a quick wash of 'flesh wash' was applied. The wash brought out the detail obviously and also darkened down the colours.

Now i have painted all my vehicles Karki and have desided i really like this colour and dont want to discolour it too much with the wash. I am using the wash straight from the bottle so i guess that i need to dilute it so that the ink doesnt colour the flat surfaces of the model as much but still reveals the details.

So, does any body dilute their washes? If so, by how much and do you use anything other than water? ????

I supose the other way round this is to apply the wash after the karki colour then apply another coat of karki to any overly washed areas, its just another coat thats gonna slow me down. :{

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:10 pm 
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Hi Doc,
I add water in many cases - and I am a fan of flesh wash. I usually don't apply it scientifically, but transport a lightly loaded brush of the flesh wash into a small plastic container, then liberally soak the brush in water and add it to the flesh wash in the container - this usually retains the wash effect well, but spreads it more thinly, permitting the original colour to retain its shade. On some colours I use two 'brushloads' of water - e.g. on white or flesh - this thins it further and stains the base colour far less. If too concentrated a mixture is applied, a brush damp with water passed over the 'washed' area thins it down effectively - but beware of dripping!
Cheers and good luck. :;):

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:26 pm 
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Cheers vanvlak :)

Will probably have a go at that this evening.





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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:58 pm 
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Good luck then - if you keep the water handy you can correct wash overloading easily, as I described earlier on, so it shouldn't cause problens.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:51 pm 
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I now not only dilute my washes but also add a spot of normal paint to tone down the gloss nature of the wash.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:29 am 
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My washes are more water than ink, I think im using at least a 60/40 water/ink mix....less screw ups on my part that way and easily corrected.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:46 am 
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I always use diluted paint for my washes, not ink. ?This can be much cheaper, and looks good. ?You can easily control the intensity of the wash by adding more or less dilutent (is that a word ???? ). ?I used to use water based paint for my wash, because of its ease of cleanup, but I've switched to (diluted) artists' oils. ?I found the water based washes to look great when wet, but sometimes blotchy when dry. ?The oil based ones look better that way. ?Furthermore, you have lots of working time with the oils (less forgiving with mistakes). ?Because it takes a long time to dry, it can be good for painting lots of minis, as you can do an "assembly line". ?However, if you are in a hurry to finish, it might not be the best choice, as you would probably need a day for it to dry before going to the next step.

As a final note, one of the artists' oils wash best feature is the ability to play with it as its almost dry. ?For example, you can "streak" the almost dry paint with a dry brush to subtly pull the color from one area to another.

Good luck, looking forward to seeing the army,
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:27 pm 
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Thanks everyone for your tips. Didnt get round to doing the washes last night as i never got the camo scheme finished on the chimeras.

Jimbo - i was wondering how to take the shine off my test model, cheers.

CF - thanks for the advice, although a bit too advanced for me (plus i dont have any oil paints), its always good to hear as many different approaches as possible. BTW i really do like your Eldar Titans.

I will have a go at both a diluted ink wash with a spot of paint, and diluted paint as a wash. hopefully i will post a pic of each to show if there was any difference. Although dont hold your breath waiting for pics, i am pretty lazy :p

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