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Campsie
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Post subject: Different Sector fleets - right or wrong.  Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:03 pm |
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Does anyone else feel it's not right that you can only have certain ship types in each different sector fleet?
Personally I feel that it's not really fair on the Imp player (cost wise especially) that in certain fleets (Gothic being a prime example) that you can't have the access to all the Imp ships from the start.
For example, why should I have to buy 3 Battleships (both money wise & points wise) to be able to use an Apocalypse BB in a gothic fleet.
Why can't we just use whatever models we have to hand?  , providing you keep to the usuall restrictions of course (ie 1 BC for every 2 CC)
Is this the same in tournement play?
When you consider chaos, they can more or less use whatever ships they fancy.
It's not right I tell you, not right........... 
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Post subject: Different Sector fleets - right or wrong. Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:09 pm |
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Take into account that the IN selection of ships is the largest of all the fleets in the game.
In tourney play, yup, you are restricted to the ships that appear in the army list for a certain rooster (like armaggeddon or gothic). And you should in friendly games as well.
Now, if you look at most lists you will see that actually they are pretty similar regardless of where they come from. In general the "core ships" (lunars, gothics, dauntless the escorts...) are available to all fleets, only with minor variations for ships in other sectors. As a conseqwuence the result will be pretty similar in most cases regardless of where your fleet comes from. Yes, some ships will be restricted, but the restrictions are nominal in a lot of cases, not really biggies. The only real restrictions in that sense come from the BB category, not the cruiser one.
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Campsie
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Post subject: Different Sector fleets - right or wrong. Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:28 pm |
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Ye, but I still feel that you shouldn't be restricted to what ships you can have in your fleet.
I really don't see any justification to it (well I can see one).
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Xavi
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Post subject: Different Sector fleets - right or wrong. Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:32 pm |
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Background. You restrict the much limited chaos fleet in their selection of cruisers and they are screwed. You restrict the cruiser on the IN and you can see that they still have 8 cruiser choices.
OTOH, the imperium is massive and has different organizations and troops all around in different parts of its domains. In the same way that a cadia epic army is different from a steel legion army in their troop composition, the same happens with the IN: some cruisers will be readily available while others will be very rare in that sector.
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Post subject: Different Sector fleets - right or wrong. Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:41 pm |
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O.k. I like your thinking.
However, still don't like the fact 
I still see it as being a big place & all types of ships would get put together, I suppose that's what the reserve rules are for. It dose still seem abit harse having to 3 bb or any other vessel for that matter before you can have your hard paid for, lovly painted brand spanking new ship in your fleet. 
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Post subject: Different Sector fleets - right or wrong. Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:45 pm |
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Well, field whatever suits you. I wouldn't bother really since most IN vessels are ok as they are and mix well with the others. That goes for the approved fleets, not silly things like the bakka fleet, though. Unless you are playing a lot of games against unknown people (quite weird for me, at least) it doesn't really matter. I would have more uissues with your eldar and tau ships since they belong to completely different fleets, but the rest are OK.
As usual, do whatever fits you and your gaming group. Historically armies fight with waht they have, not with what they want, though. In an overstretched thing like the imperium, with multiple battle zones at any time and vital areas needing m,ssive garrissoning, it is wound that any appeal for new ships will be looked grimly by the administratum.
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Post subject: Different Sector fleets - right or wrong. Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:51 pm |
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Cheers Xavi,
I like your way of thinking.
As with the Eldar & Tau, I just like the ships and didn't really want to collect completely new fleets.
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Post subject: Different Sector fleets - right or wrong. Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:10 am |
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As L4 would say- Do what works for you!
I use my Armageddon and Apocalypse in my Gothic sector themed fleet all the time, and they don't seem to hideously unbalance things...
I would be quite happy to let my Chaos opponent use Imperial ships; and using a few Chaos models myself might be fun...
I wouldn't use alien ships though- too unfluffy in my opinion, but if you want to give it a go, and your opponent is happy, then carry on- just make sure you are having fun! ?
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Post subject: Different Sector fleets - right or wrong. Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:33 pm |
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On the plus side, these kind of restrictions appear to keep fleets in character, and to force you to make difficult decisions. If you take the argument to the extreme, then I can have Chaos vessels in my Imperial fleet, as they are old ships, and then Demiurg vessels that have been captured by Orks, and on to madness. In a perfect world, it should not matter what you take, as the points values should balance whatever you want to include. But, being able to simply pick up any ship is a little too easy, and leads to fair bland games at times. I do know of techniques such as simply writing all the ships on cards, and drawing cards until the points limit is reached. Then, you just have to make do with what you have been given.
On the other hand, what you use in your own games is entirely up to you. I rarely use the restriction on BB/Cruiser limits. If my opponent wants to field all Battleships, that is up to him. It throws up the occassional interesting match.
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