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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:54 pm 
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Nitpick wrote:
Not sure I follow.Because they are big, people would be more open to new designs?


What I meant is that you can never satisfy everybody. There's always something not right about a model, be it its design, size, material, etc etc etc. I guess it's partly the times we live in.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:25 pm 
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@ Jimmy, i've often thought this a rhino would work for me if it transported 5 troops instead of ten it would still be a tight fit in there but a viable one from my perspective. I suspect however most people would have issues with every marine list requiring two rhinos per squad to transport just imagine all those points tweaks and models needed jeez. :)

So a poll then to change the fluff and army list to a max of 6 marines in a rhino including a driver. ;D

I'm going to get ben our resident expert on curves to design an eloi tank hull that can hopefully serve for several variant eloi vehicles we will post up some concepts in the eloi thread in the vanguard section for feedback this will be your chance to get what you want so please take advantage of the opportunity to influence the design it's up to you what the end result wil be. :)

I will say this as we have seen polls here do not reflect reality as the size of the trojan has shown the vote at the time was do it true scale but no one actually bought into that in any significant way. The true scale trojan has meant i've needed to create all the new models to fit alongside that one model a decision made years ago by this very community that i've been stuck with. Most people here are now saying I should make my models fit with existing old ranges so which way do I jump.

It's a bit of a dilemma to be sure at least with the 15mm stuff we won't have this issue.

Thanks guys keep it coming.

You're totally missing the point, mate. Keep your true scale 10 man transport. Add to your line another elite APC (not an IFV though if you're smart you'll have the chassis to allow it to support that add-on). This transport carries 5 elites in the DiD fluff. In addition, it has appropriate aesthetic qualities we're looking for. However due to the physical size of a 5 person true-scale transport, it just happens to be appropriately sized for those people with existing collections to fit in with their 10 person APCs from a certain company based in Nottingham. Because they may have the perception that your 10 person APCs are too big, they don't purchase. Because you I happen to have a proprtional alternative, they'll purchase 1 5 person APCs per 10 infantry (not double) for their epic collections and use it as a not true scale 10 person APC. Make sense now? :)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:57 pm 
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In fairness, had to read this very carefully too :)

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malika2 wrote:
Nitpick wrote:
Not sure I follow.Because they are big, people would be more open to new designs?


What I meant is that you can never satisfy everybody. There's always something not right about a model, be it its design, size, material, etc etc etc. I guess it's partly the times we live in.

True. Business is not necessarily about satisfying everyone though. The way I interpreted the original discussion was that some sales, primarily of recent designs have been disappointing. I.e. there might be room for improvement to attract more buyers. I'd rather go with the glass half full view.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:33 pm 
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The point is that I doubt a rescale will matter that much, considering they can get the originals on ebay or black market copies elsewhere. So maybe riding the whole nostalgia wave isn't the way to go, especially in the long term.

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jimmyzimms wrote:
moredakka wrote:
@ Jimmy, i've often thought this a rhino would work for me if it transported 5 troops instead of ten it would still be a tight fit in there but a viable one from my perspective. I suspect however most people would have issues with every marine list requiring two rhinos per squad to transport just imagine all those points tweaks and models needed jeez. :)

So a poll then to change the fluff and army list to a max of 6 marines in a rhino including a driver. ;D

I'm going to get ben our resident expert on curves to design an eloi tank hull that can hopefully serve for several variant eloi vehicles we will post up some concepts in the eloi thread in the vanguard section for feedback this will be your chance to get what you want so please take advantage of the opportunity to influence the design it's up to you what the end result wil be. :)

I will say this as we have seen polls here do not reflect reality as the size of the trojan has shown the vote at the time was do it true scale but no one actually bought into that in any significant way. The true scale trojan has meant i've needed to create all the new models to fit alongside that one model a decision made years ago by this very community that i've been stuck with. Most people here are now saying I should make my models fit with existing old ranges so which way do I jump.

It's a bit of a dilemma to be sure at least with the 15mm stuff we won't have this issue.

Thanks guys keep it coming.

You're totally missing the point, mate. Keep your true scale 10 man transport. Add to your line another elite APC (not an IFV though if you're smart you'll have the chassis to allow it to support that add-on). This transport carries 5 elites in the DiD fluff. In addition, it has appropriate aesthetic qualities we're looking for. However due to the physical size of a 5 person true-scale transport, it just happens to be appropriately sized for those people with existing collections to fit in with their 10 person APCs from a certain company based in Nottingham. Because they may have the perception that your 10 person APCs are too big, they don't purchase. Because you I happen to have a proprtional alternative, they'll purchase 1 5 person APCs per 10 infantry (not double) for their epic collections and use it as a not true scale 10 person APC. Make sense now? :)


Mate I was being a little tongue in cheek on the first part of that post but yes I did miss what you were hinting at, sometimes you just have to hit me over the head with it ha. Anyway your suggestion of a true scale demi squad carrier is an elegant solution to my problem in order to create a more compact model um now I just need a design.

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Guys my glass is half full but it would be nice to know i've another pint with my name on it before time is called. :)

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Maybe nothing about the size, design and choice of models based on proxy-availability matters and there's nothing that can be done. Especially in the long run, as you say. That is a related but different type of discussion. I have enjoyed the availability of nice proxies and hope there is some way to keep the flame burning.

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I'm here to stay for as long as you guys keep buying if the 6mm scene dries up well then I guess I need to move on.

Epic will always be what I want to do mind you.

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malika2 wrote:
The point is that I doubt a rescale will matter that much, considering they can get the originals on ebay or black market copies elsewhere. So maybe riding the whole nostalgia wave isn't the way to go, especially in the long term.


You don't even have to go elsewhere for those black market copies - plenty on eBay. Oddly enough, the used originals and the copies tend to cover the same ground: lots of human APCs and AFVs, posthuman APCs. That leaves some big gaps.


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Yes i'm hearing you again there are indeed many gaps to potentially fill for many factions but I still need to have a viable full range for my core selling armies if I want to provide all models neccesary for the customers I have.

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jimmyzimms wrote:
You're totally missing the point, mate. Keep your true scale 10 man transport. Add to your line another elite APC (not an IFV though if you're smart you'll have the chassis to allow it to support that add-on). This transport carries 5 elites in the DiD fluff. In addition, it has appropriate aesthetic qualities we're looking for. However due to the physical size of a 5 person true-scale transport, it just happens to be appropriately sized for those people with existing collections to fit in with their 10 person APCs from a certain company based in Nottingham. Because they may have the perception that your 10 person APCs are too big, they don't purchase. Because you I happen to have a proprtional alternative, they'll purchase 1 5 person APCs per 10 infantry (not double) for their epic collections and use it as a not true scale 10 person APC. Make sense now? :)


I think this is a good point.

I personally would not purchase an "elites' army, but this does seem to solve a lot of your issues, with only having to make one or two new models total, instead of a range rescale.

Reprinting the other tanks to the smaller 6mm scale will almost certainly loose money. Whereas this will... hmmm. Actually I'm not sure if this would lose money too :(

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jimmyzimms wrote:
You're totally missing the point, mate. Keep your true scale 10 man transport. Add to your line another elite APC (not an IFV though if you're smart you'll have the chassis to allow it to support that add-on). This transport carries 5 elites in the DiD fluff. In addition, it has appropriate aesthetic qualities we're looking for. However due to the physical size of a 5 person true-scale transport, it just happens to be appropriately sized for those people with existing collections to fit in with their 10 person APCs from a certain company based in Nottingham. Because they may have the perception that your 10 person APCs are too big, they don't purchase. Because you I happen to have a proprtional alternative, they'll purchase 1 5 person APCs per 10 infantry (not double) for their epic collections and use it as a not true scale 10 person APC. Make sense now? :)


For what it's worth, I like this idea.

And if/when I ever get around to putting together a space ma Novan Elite army, if you had done such a thing, I would likely make some bases of "10 man transports" that were actually 2 of the smaller ones. Just for variety.

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Something else I wanted to mention,

You really need to redo the pictures on the page. The pictures you have are not at all consistent, and some of them are outright bad. You've got pictures of multiple sprues, renders of the 3D objects, renders of the 3D objects with a weird green glow around them, pictures of single models close up, pictures of single models from further away, pictures of small groups of models that have been photoshopped onto a white background, I even found some pictures where the image looked blurry and out of focus.

None of that is good. I know I initially discounted several of your products because the photos actually make them look worse than I think they are.

I would say aim to make all photos on the site match the style of the "Novan Elite’s Mauler Assault Transport" (but with measurements included). I would also make it a priority to replace all the pictures that are in the style of the "Novan Elite – Affray Company", those I think are particularly bad.

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